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White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:57 pm
by SD80MAC
Sounds like some or most of the Grand Elk's White Pigeon grain trains will no longer be going via NS and will be moving to CSX instead. Apparently The Anderson's and Purdue Farms (who receives the loaded trains in North Carolina) have decided to shift the trains over to CSX after NS decided they were no longer interested and gave them a ludicrous rate. For anyone unfamiliar with the matter, this is a big win for CSX management in West Michigan, who has been trying to get these trains from NS since 2014.

So the Plymouth sub will be a little bit busier now with the addition of these grain trains. The CSX power is supposed to run through from Grand Rapids, down to White Pigeon and back with the trains. The first train, V65014, is on its way to Grand Rapids this week. Something new to see!

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:52 pm
by David Lang
Great news SD80MAC.

Thanks for sharing.

David Lang

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:17 pm
by Raildudes dad
NS is apparently raising rates. All the lumber I'm dealing with from BC comes to Chicago to interchange. It has been CN to NS. Now they interchange with CSX. Mills captive to NS have questioned why the rates have increased on their routing. It's not on our end.

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:12 am
by Ben Higdon
Unit grain trains through Kalamazoo again, interesting! Any idea about how often these trains run?

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:10 am
by AARR
I read somewhere 5-10 a month
Ben Higdon wrote:Unit grain trains through Kalamazoo again, interesting! Any idea about how often these trains run?

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:49 am
by Super Chief
So I would assume Elk crews would operate their part of the run? When the stone trains start up again could make it interesting as the only meeting place would be Park/Cowling. Would CSX/ Elk both be leasing rights from NS?

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:52 am
by ~Z~
Anyone know if there's an updated symbol for the grain train? Sources say that V65014 ran to Rocky Mount NC and got terminated there.

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:58 am
by SD80MAC
Super Chief wrote:So I would assume Elk crews would operate their part of the run? When the stone trains start up again could make it interesting as the only meeting place would be Park/Cowling. Would CSX/ Elk both be leasing rights from NS?
An Elk crew would take the train from GR down to White Pigeon and return. What do you mean by leasing rights?

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:00 am
by SD80MAC
~Z~ wrote:Anyone know if there's an updated symbol for the grain train? Sources say that V65014 ran to Rocky Mount NC and got terminated there.
V77819

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:20 am
by Super Chief
Well you said CSX management has been trying to get these trains since 2014? I would think NS gets some kind of payback since Elks leasing the line? After all the GR trackage rights snafus and Perdue is on a CSX southern line who pays who the bill?

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:23 am
by SD80MAC
I don't think any of that is relevant in this case. Grand Elk, though they lease the line from NS, has full rights to interchange with NS, CSX, CN, and GRE. This is just CSX-originated traffic that Grand Elk will be handling, no different than any of the traffic that comes via CSX now. Not CSX or GDLK's fault that NS was no longer interested handling the trains. CSX has been trying to get the grain trains simply because they want the extra business.

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:13 am
by J T
SD80MAC wrote:I don't think any of that is relevant in this case. Grand Elk, though they lease the line from NS, has full rights to interchange with NS, CSX, CN, and GRE. This is just CSX-originated traffic that Grand Elk will be handling, no different than any of the traffic that comes via CSX now. Not CSX or GDLK's fault that NS was no longer in handling the trains. CSX has been trying to get the grain trains simply because they want the extra business.
Dear NS,

We're gonna take your trains and then run 'em on your tracks. :P

Signed,

CSX

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:33 pm
by NSSD70ACe
Any ideas when the first train will roll through Kalamazoo?

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:12 pm
by ~Z~
NSSD70ACe wrote:Any ideas when the first train will roll through Kalamazoo?
At least a couple more days - word on the street says that V77819 is in west virginia enroute to grand rapids and onto Kzoo/white pigeon.

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:44 pm
by Raildudes dad
Planned arrival time in GR 02-21-2020 20:10

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:45 pm
by NSSD70ACe
Raildudes dad wrote:Planned arrival time in GR 02-21-2020 20:10
Any idea if Grand Elk is going to depart immediately and go down that night or wait until the 22nd?

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:51 am
by jrgerber
So once the CSX grain trains reach Grand Rapids from White Pigeon then what the final destinations if you have any idea. Thanks.

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:37 am
by Super Chief
Perdue Farms North Carolina.

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:03 am
by kd_1014
How will you think they will get them on the GDLK? Would they terminate in Wyoming, run around their train, then an Elk crew takes it down the Hughart Runner?

Re: White Pigeon Grain Trains

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:42 am
by OldBastard
SD80MAC wrote:
~Z~ wrote:Anyone know if there's an updated symbol for the grain train? Sources say that V65014 ran to Rocky Mount NC and got terminated there.
V77819
CSX 69, 239 as of now for power