GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
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GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
In the early 80s when the Milwaukee Road (MILW) was going through bankruptcy, the Grand Trunk Western (GTW) was financing better track and doing more run through service with the MILW which in turn helped the Milwaukee improve in a way. I believe the only place they met was Chicago and personally it could’ve worked since they weren’t really all that parallel and they could’ve connected via IHB and BRC trackage.
But of course the SOO Line and CNW got scared and outbid the GTW even though they had parallel routes to the Milwaukee. Obviously the SOO Line emerged the victor where some of their old parallel trackage got sold to Wisconsin Central Ltd. and later CN (ironically the owner of GTW) ended up buying it up in 2001.
Now for the purpose of this post:
How would you feel about a GTW-MILW combination? Reply with your thoughts! I’m eager to hear others opinions about this!
(My point of view on this is pretty good and I like the idea of this “merger” btw)
But of course the SOO Line and CNW got scared and outbid the GTW even though they had parallel routes to the Milwaukee. Obviously the SOO Line emerged the victor where some of their old parallel trackage got sold to Wisconsin Central Ltd. and later CN (ironically the owner of GTW) ended up buying it up in 2001.
Now for the purpose of this post:
How would you feel about a GTW-MILW combination? Reply with your thoughts! I’m eager to hear others opinions about this!
(My point of view on this is pretty good and I like the idea of this “merger” btw)
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Re: GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
Interesting idea
Here's a fun read:
http://www.trainweb.org/milwaukee/article.html
Ive got a paper railroad I need to post that I created based on this
Here's a fun read:
http://www.trainweb.org/milwaukee/article.html
Ive got a paper railroad I need to post that I created based on this
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Re: GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
Yes--- have been familiar with that article for at least 15 years now. Should be MANDATORY reading for anyone that thinks MILW was not trying. Their OWNERS did not care about them. That says it all. My heart goes out to all the older MILW employees that went through this .They tried--- their COMPANY. DID. NOT!!
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Re: GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
Not to turn this into a Milwaukee thread but here's another nice article on a potential future for the railroad albeit more on the pessimistic side.
http://www.trainweb.org/milwaukeemyths/
http://www.trainweb.org/milwaukeemyths/
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Re: GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
Find yourself a copy of "The Nation Pays Again" by Thomas Ploss. Everything you will ever need to know about the demise of The Milwaukee Road. The Todd Jones article mentioned above by Erroneous Monk is excellent, but if you want a more complete sizing up of that catastrophe, you'll get it with Ploss.
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Re: GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
Wow, that's an expensive paperback!Man o' War wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:22 pmFind yourself a copy of "The Nation Pays Again" by Thomas Ploss. Everything you will ever need to know about the demise of The Milwaukee Road. The Todd Jones article mentioned above by Erroneous Monk is excellent, but if you want a more complete sizing up of that catastrophe, you'll get it with Ploss.
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Re: GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
Makes sense though. Why in the world would you want the hardcover for $235 when you can get a used paperback for 5K ?J T wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:07 amWow, that's an expensive paperback!Man o' War wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:22 pmFind yourself a copy of "The Nation Pays Again" by Thomas Ploss. Everything you will ever need to know about the demise of The Milwaukee Road. The Todd Jones article mentioned above by Erroneous Monk is excellent, but if you want a more complete sizing up of that catastrophe, you'll get it with Ploss.
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Truthfully, I think that's going to be a hard sell...
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Re: GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
Its that inflation I tell ya!Man o' War wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:32 pmMakes sense though. Why in the world would you want the hardcover for $235 when you can get a used paperback for 5K ?
Truthfully, I think that's going to be a hard sell...
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Re: GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
Every once in a while during the joint GTW-MLW joint operating agreement or whatever it was called, I would see a MLW locomotive on a GTW train into Detroit or at Flat Rock. Not too often, though. For a while it looked like GTW was going to get it.
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Re: GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
One of the main reasons Grand Trunk Corp (with encouragement from parent CN) was so intent on acquiring the Milwaukee Road was to have their own route from Winnipeg to Chicago, bridging the gap between the DWP and the GTW. They finally got it 15 years later with the purchase of the Wisconsin Central.
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Re: GTW-Milwaukee Road Combination
Does that come with a whole locomotive aswell?J T wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:07 amWow, that's an expensive paperback!Man o' War wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:22 pmFind yourself a copy of "The Nation Pays Again" by Thomas Ploss. Everything you will ever need to know about the demise of The Milwaukee Road. The Todd Jones article mentioned above by Erroneous Monk is excellent, but if you want a more complete sizing up of that catastrophe, you'll get it with Ploss.
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