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Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:30 am
by DaveO
And the name of a C̶o̶n̶t̶r̶o̶l̶ ̶P̶o̶i̶n̶t̶ station there
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:33 am
by C&O Dispatcher
Believe Nolan is CN's timetable name for the location of switch from single to double track. Originally, I believe the switch was a little farther north and the location was then known as Double Track Switch. Back then it was a spring switch. Aren't the yard tracks there known as Nolan Yard--or were in the past?
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:05 am
by DaveO
Double track switch, now Nolan, is south of 8 Mile. I don't believe the yard area north of 8 Mile was named Nolan.
I couldn't find a name for it in material I have.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:11 am
by ~Z~
Where be it? Two raillines crossed at this location.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:40 am
by J T
~Z~ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:11 am
Where be it? Two raillines crossed at this location.
One of them is the interurban ROW, correct?
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:41 am
by ~Z~
J T wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:40 am
One of them is the interurban ROW, correct?
That is correct, one of the two lines is interurban.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:14 pm
by railrod1949
DaveO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:05 am
Double track switch, now Nolan, is south of 8 Mile. I don't believe the yard area north of 8 Mile was named Nolan.
I couldn't find a name for it in material I have.
In that photo above, the shot is looking east. Its east of Hoover Road and north of Eight Mile Road in Warren. Also Double Track Swith south of Eight Mile Road is now CP Nolan on the CN's Mt. Clemens Sub.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:16 pm
by railrod1949
~Z~ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:41 am
J T wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:40 am
One of them is the interurban ROW, correct?
That is correct, one of the two lines is interurban.
It is somewhere here in MI. Southeast Michigan?
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:39 pm
by ~Z~
railrod1949 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:16 pm
It is somewhere here in MI. Southeast Michigan?
Mine are always in MI unless I state otherwise, which is what we're supposed to do.
Not in Southeast MI, no.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:44 pm
by J T
railrod1949 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:16 pm
It is somewhere here in MI. Southeast Michigan?
One clue is the bike, which is Z's. He lives in Byron Center along the Grand Elk line, so I'm guessing it's in riding distance of his house. The old interurban ROW in his photo runs on a pretty straight line between GR and Kzoo,assuming that is the interurban line in question.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:48 pm
by ~Z~
While most of that is correct JT, the interurban line in the pic does not run between GR and Kalamazoo - the freight railroad does. Interurban runs more east/west.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:01 pm
by J T
~Z~ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:48 pm
While most of that is correct JT, the interurban line in the pic does not run between GR and Kalamazoo - the freight railroad does. Interurban runs more east/west.
Yeah, I just realized that as the only possibility would be Monteith Junction south of Martin and the landscape there doesn't fit this.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:28 pm
by Man o' War
DaveO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:05 am
Double track switch, now Nolan, is south of 8 Mile. I don't believe the yard area north of 8 Mile was named Nolan.
I couldn't find a name for it in material I have.
The GTW yard north of 8 Mile was called Gillen Yard. 8 Mile was simply a demarcation line between Nolan and Gillen yards, as a number of tracks ran across from one yard to the other. Today, the lumber distribution siding north of Outer Drive is what remains of Nolan yard, and the Polyterm entrance and storage tracks are what remain of Gillen. And yes, C&O Dispatcher is correct - two main tracks began considerably north of where today's Nolan switch is located - and was called Double Track Switch (spring). The double track was governed by Automatic Block Signals from Nolan to Forest Lawn.
Man o' War
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:44 pm
by SW
Man o' War wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:28 pm
DaveO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:05 am
Double track switch, now Nolan, is south of 8 Mile. I don't believe the yard area north of 8 Mile was named Nolan.
I couldn't find a name for it in material I have.
The GTW yard north of 8 Mile was called Gillen Yard. 8 Mile was simply a demarcation line between Nolan and Gillen yards, as a number of tracks ran across from one yard to the other. Today, the lumber distribution siding north of Outer Drive is what remains of Nolan yard, and the Polyterm entrance and storage tracks are what remain of Gillen. And yes, C&O Dispatcher is correct - two main tracks began considerably north of where today's Nolan switch is located - and was called Double Track Switch (spring). The double track was governed by Automatic Block Signals from Nolan to Forest Lawn.
Man o' War
In my childhood (early-mid 70's), I spent a lot of time around Nolan Yard, less around Gillen. Gillen had quite a web of industrial sidings, some of which crossed each other. The RBB circus train parked there some years, and there was a Team Track just north of 8 Mile. In fall, 1-2 Pacific Fruit Express reefers would be parked there and wine grapes were sold right off the cars - not surprising considering the area had a lot of wine-making residents of Italian background.
The double track started at 9 Mile Rd. Northbound trains almost always used the east track and southbounds used the west track, as you might expect, though more than once I saw a southbound on the east track that wasn't a local.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:48 pm
by Man o' War
SW wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:44 pm
Man o' War wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:28 pm
DaveO wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:05 am
Double track switch, now Nolan, is south of 8 Mile. I don't believe the yard area north of 8 Mile was named Nolan.
I couldn't find a name for it in material I have.
The GTW yard north of 8 Mile was called Gillen Yard. 8 Mile was simply a demarcation line between Nolan and Gillen yards, as a number of tracks ran across from one yard to the other. Today, the lumber distribution siding north of Outer Drive is what remains of Nolan yard, and the Polyterm entrance and storage tracks are what remain of Gillen. And yes, C&O Dispatcher is correct - two main tracks began considerably north of where today's Nolan switch is located - and was called Double Track Switch (spring). The double track was governed by Automatic Block Signals from Nolan to Forest Lawn.
Man o' War
In my childhood (early-mid 70's), I spent a lot of time around Nolan Yard, less around Gillen. Gillen had quite a web of industrial sidings, some of which crossed each other. The RBB circus train parked there some years, and there was a Team Track just north of 8 Mile. In fall, 1-2 Pacific Fruit Express reefers would be parked there and wine grapes were sold right off the cars - not surprising considering the area had a lot of wine-making residents of Italian background.
The double track started at 9 Mile Rd. Northbound trains almost always used the east track and southbounds used the west track, as you might expect, though more than once I saw a southbound on the east track that wasn't a local.
Yes, even though activity was waning by the early 1970's, both Gillen and Nolan still had much interesting business remaining.
With regard to the Double Track Switch, it was actually located at MTC MP 11.53, or about half way between Stephens Road and 9 Mile - as opposed to today's "CN Nolan" at MP 10. Used to be fun to park at Stephens and watch westbounds cycle through the ABS signals. I think one of the main reasons the switch for double track was moved south, was to avoid having to build a two-main track crossing at 8 Mile - thus avoiding a huge expense.
Man o' War
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:56 pm
by J T
J T wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:01 pm
~Z~ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:48 pm
While most of that is correct JT, the interurban line in the pic does not run between GR and Kalamazoo - the freight railroad does. Interurban runs more east/west.
Yeah, I just realized that as the only possibility would be Monteith Junction south of Martin and the landscape there doesn't fit this.
Aha! Now I know where it is. Responding to your private message so others have a chance to guess.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:12 am
by PatAzo
~Z~ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:48 pm
While most of that is correct JT, the interurban line in the pic does not run between GR and Kalamazoo - the freight railroad does. Interurban runs more east/west.
That leaves the NYC (Kalamazoo-Grand Rapids) and Michigan United (Battle Creek-Allegan) crossing near Allegan.
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:46 am
by ~Z~
PatAzo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:12 am
~Z~ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:48 pm
While most of that is correct JT, the interurban line in the pic does not run between GR and Kalamazoo - the freight railroad does. Interurban runs more east/west.
That leaves the NYC (Kalamazoo-Grand Rapids) and Michigan United (Battle Creek-Allegan) crossing near Allegan.
Not Allegan - it's actually in the Grand Rapids area. JT messaged me and is now aware where it's at. Any other takers of where this NYC and interurban line crossed?
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:12 am
by AARR
Is it possibly on the old Muskegon Branch ROW (GR&I)?
~Z~ wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:46 am
PatAzo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:12 am
~Z~ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:48 pm
While most of that is correct JT, the interurban line in the pic does not run between GR and Kalamazoo - the freight railroad does. Interurban runs more east/west.
That leaves the NYC (Kalamazoo-Grand Rapids) and Michigan United (Battle Creek-Allegan) crossing near Allegan.
Not Allegan - it's actually in the Grand Rapids area. JT messaged me and is now aware where it's at. Any other takers of where this NYC and interurban line crossed?
Re: Where Is It?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:19 am
by PatAzo
~Z~ wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:46 am
PatAzo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:12 am
~Z~ wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 1:48 pm
While most of that is correct JT, the interurban line in the pic does not run between GR and Kalamazoo - the freight railroad does. Interurban runs more east/west.
That leaves the NYC (Kalamazoo-Grand Rapids) and Michigan United (Battle Creek-Allegan) crossing near Allegan.
Not Allegan - it's actually in the Grand Rapids area. JT messaged me and is now aware where it's at. Any other takers of where this NYC and interurban line crossed?
The Grand Rapids Holland and Lake Michigan Rapid crossing the NYC. I'm not familiar enough to know exactly where.