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Re: GDLK Operations

Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 8:56 pm
by ns8401
NS3322 wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 6:40 pm
ns8401 wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 5:08 pm
OldBastard wrote:
Fri May 28, 2021 3:10 pm
You're welcome, Dowagiac.
Probably just current power needs on both the different lines, and closest availability is what directed 4002 back to GDLK.
Only about half of the original start up units still remain on GDLK. They used to have 2 more ex Canadian widecabs, the 4012 and 4020. 4020 had a Grand Elk logo, 4012 never did. Unsure where they are now.
4012 ended up on the Timber Rock Railroad in Texas middle of the last decade. 4020 ended up on the WSOR.

Both units are listed on a current roster for the Kansas & Oklahoma (K&O) another WATCO property.

http://www.trainweb.org/rosters/KO.html
Dispositions of former Grand Elk locomotives:
Dispostions.JPG

#4012 and #4020 are now at El Dorado Chemical (Watco Switching Contract).

The CLASS III Shortlines roster on TrainWeb is useful; but just make sure you look at the notes section...
I got us farther than we were at least. El Dorado Chemical sounds like a little bit of an obscure place in the hinterlands of Ar-Kansas. I wonder how accessible the place really is?

Re: GDLK Operations

Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:48 am
by GP30M4216
08:45 6-4-2021, Grand Elk inbound to Elkhart Yard at CP421 with just the 4206 and 18 cars. Mostly tanks and covered hoppers, the consist included two NS open top 3 bay hoppers of the type used to bring coal to Pfizer in Portage.

Re: GDLK Operations

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:26 pm
by 1TrackMind
Those hoppers are used to haul crushed glass out of Grand Rapids that then go out west.

Re: GDLK Operations

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:17 pm
by LansingRailFan
1TrackMind wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:26 pm
Those hoppers are used to haul crushed glass out of Grand Rapids that then go out west.
Old beer and pop bottles from Glass Recyclers in GR.

Re: GDLK Operations

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:25 pm
by SD80MAC
Most of the crushed glass comes from Meijer, IIRC.

Re: GDLK Operations

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:29 pm
by LansingRailFan
SD80MAC wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:25 pm
Most of the crushed glass comes from Meijer, IIRC.
Meijer takes a majority share of the returnables in the state so you are correct.

However, those machines are owned and maintained by a third party company named UBCR - https://ubcrllc.com/

The machines themselves are made by https://www.tomra.com/en/sorting/recycling .

UBCR is a partnership between Schupan, Tomra and the MSDA and MBWWA. They own the blue bins, the tracking software of each container that goes thru them, the data collection and reporting software database and the trucks that haul away the bins full of metal, plastic and glass.

All beer and pop distribs have to pick up returnables from any retailer they service that doesn’t use UBCR aka third party recycling. A retailer is a store OR a bar/restaurant/golf course etc...

Some beer and pop distribs crush their own glass into cullet. The one I worked at crushed our glass and glass from numerous smaller ones and fed it into gravel haulers that took it to Glass Recyclers in Detroit. They would back haul rock salt. Almost all distribs will crush their own aluminum and store the bricks on pallets. They will literally sit on it for a year or two until the prices get good. I heard a story about one of the distributors up north that sat on like four years of aluminum just filling up old semi trailers w pallets. He’s been sending truckloads down to detroit now cashing in on the high prices.

Anyway, yes the glass comes from Meijer. And Family Fare. And Walmart etc... but it’s all via the UBCR LLC Corp.

Re: GDLK Operations

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:16 am
by DaveO
UBCR is a joint venture of Tomra and Schupan.
All 3 share a building in Wixom. Schupan has another location in Wyoming.

Re: GDLK Operations

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:08 am
by LansingRailFan
DaveO wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:16 am
UBCR is a joint venture of Tomra and Schupan.
All 3 share a building in Wixom. Schupan has another location in Wyoming.
Schupan also has facilities in Elkhart and Kalamazoo and an office in East Lansing.