Future of the Plymouth Sub/Grand Rapids Sub

[pudgy]

M327 and M326 are now five day a week trains does anybody know if this is permanent?

Temporary operational decision based on traffic levels. Be on the lookout for changes in the future.

[GRHC]

If this is in any way shape or form true and LRF is the source of this latest rumor I have to say I am incredibly incredibly proud of LRF.
Well done sir well done.

This actually has turned into a fun thread almost as fun as this classic(The angle of the dangle).

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Railfanning is M F’in serious business!

M327 and M326 are now five day a week trains does anybody know if this is permanent?

Temporary operational decision based on traffic levels. Be on the lookout for changes in the future.

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[The Barefoot Railfan]

I think something important to note is that CPKC hasn’t confirmed they want to purchase the Plymouth sub, I do think it is highly plausible but for right now the only reason they are mandating CSX to fix the Plymouth sub is so if they do buy it is in good condition.

Sorry if someone already said this I don’t read all that much on Railroad Fan

[DaveO]

I think something important to note is that CPKC hasn’t confirmed they want to purchase the Plymouth sub, I do think it is highly plausible but for right now the only reason they are mandating CSX to fix the Plymouth sub is so if they do buy it is in good condition.

Sorry if someone already said this I don’t read all that much on Railroad Fan

just stop the nonsense.
any transaction of the sort must be filed with the surface transportation board.
https://www.stb.gov/proceedings-actions ... b-records/
there are no filings at this date.

cpkc still needs some one to take them around the bottom of lake michigan.
that is the issue and going through michigan or ohio has no effect on that little detail.

[pudgy]

I think something important to note is that CPKC hasn’t confirmed they want to purchase the Plymouth sub, I do think it is highly plausible but for right now the only reason they are mandating CSX to fix the Plymouth sub is so if they do buy it is in good condition.

Sorry if someone already said this I don’t read all that much on Railroad Fan

Only thing mandating CSX upgrading the Plymouth Sub is the FRA requires the signal system to remain active. These upgrades have been in the plans for years, but were always being pushed back for other properties needing attention first. The storms in the Fall that took out the codeline created a situation that forced CSX to act. Everything else is just being addressed while they have crews in the area.

Yes, there may be some thought to the future and possible resale value, but all work is being performed as in-house upgrades.

[pudgy]

cpkc still needs some one to take them around the bottom of lake michigan.
that is the issue and going through michigan or ohio has no effect on that little detail.

Without a doubt, any transaction that may include purchasing the Pere Marquette thru Michigan would include the trackage rights for the property, as well as they have their own via the NS currently.

Big picture? IF, CP were to actually do this, the Porter Jct project would also be a possibility to get the PM line connected to the Porter Branch to access the IHB, or the B&OCT at Willow Creek...or they may just do what they've done for over 100 years and run 482 to 497, 502 or 509 to access other routes in Chicago.

[Typhoon]

I think something important to note is that CPKC hasn’t confirmed they want to purchase the Plymouth sub, I do think it is highly plausible but for right now the only reason they are mandating CSX to fix the Plymouth sub is so if they do buy it is in good condition.

Sorry if someone already said this I don’t read all that much on Railroad Fan

Yep, that is what the CP wants, a longer, slower route that will still require trackage rights on either end of the line.

[LansingRailFan]

M327 and M326 are now five day a week trains does anybody know if this is permanent?

Temporary operational decision based on traffic levels. Be on the lookout for changes in the future.

CPKC X500 and X501 coming starting week of 03.31.2024 - first train should be that Monday.

[GAP]

I wonder if the CP ever wishes they still had the lines from Minneapolis though Sault Ste Marie to Sudbury to Toronto. I would think that it would be shorter and certainly less congested than through Chicago and Windsor.

[Saturnalia]

I wonder if the CP ever wishes they still had the lines from Minneapolis though Sault Ste Marie to Sudbury to Toronto. I would think that it would be shorter and certainly less congested than through Chicago and Windsor.

I've wondered this also, but my understanding is that the traffic via Chicago to Windsor wouldn't be the type of thing running Sudbury to Minneapolis. It is mostly stuff from interchange in Chicago and south/west from there. Basically the Soo Line play to Chicagoland was the CP Rail system reaching down for more direct connections rather than give the haulage to the US Class Ones up to the border.

[David Lang]

CPKC X500 and X501 coming starting week of 03.31.2024 - first train should be that Monday.

Hmmm, that first Monday is actually April 1st, I wonder what April 1st represents....LOL LansingRailFan. Good one!

[railfan isaac]

CPKC X500 and X501 coming starting week of 03.31.2024 - first train should be that Monday.

Hmmm, that first Monday is actually April 1st, I wonder what April 1st represents....LOL LansingRailFan. Good one!

So this is fake and if it’s not where dose he get his info?

[SD80MAC]

CPKC X500 and X501 coming starting week of 03.31.2024 - first train should be that Monday.

Hmmm, that first Monday is actually April 1st, I wonder what April 1st represents....LOL LansingRailFan. Good one!

So this is fake and if it’s not where dose he get his info?

Quit trespassing in Waverly, kid.

[LansingRailFan]

CPKC X500 and X501 coming starting week of 03.31.2024 - first train should be that Monday.

Hmmm, that first Monday is actually April 1st, I wonder what April 1st represents....LOL LansingRailFan. Good one!

Way to blow it up.

[railfan isaac]

Hmmm, that first Monday is actually April 1st, I wonder what April 1st represents....LOL LansingRailFan. Good one!

So this is fake and if it’s not where dose he get his info?

Quit trespassing in Waverly, kid.

Sorry

[David Lang]

Way to blow it up.

Sorry LRF, couldn't help it.

I will freely admit, that those who have known me many years...I may have bought into that way back when I was young, but I'd like to think that I'm a bit older and wiser these days. A select few of you might remember some stories...

Have a good day everyone.

[DaveO]

I'd like to think that I'm a bit older and wiser these days.

nah, you just get older. don't ask how I know.

[GP30M4216]

With the way the spur will be facing, I would guess it will end up being L301 work. Y121 would either have to shove out there or go out to East Saugatuck to run around and come back.

I spoke with somebody with first-hand knowledge about who will be working the new Coastal Container siding and it will be Y121. So I guess I was right and your guess was wrong lol happy new year SD80MAC

I swung down to Coastal Container as I was curious to know what kind of rail they used for the new spur. It’s 115lb re-lay rail rolled in 1980. Now you know

[pudgy]

Lots of activity on the Plymouth Sub for signal work. Ditching and cable trenching moving at a quick pace. Look for North Lansing, MA and Trowbridge to be cut over to new signals by the end of January, new intermediates East of Trowbridge to and including Williamston to be early February.

Also, new intermediate locations between Grand Ledge and Lake Odessa will be as follows:

CH107.5 near downtown Mulliken, CH 110, CH 113 and the signals at CH 116 will be replaced with new signals.

Also, a few road crossings are set for gates to be installed. Should be getting the new signals from Lako to GL H/O installed by sometime next spring/summer.
Word on the street is the entire Plymouth Sub will be new signals by summer of 2026, if not sooner.

[MQT1223]

Lots of activity on the Plymouth Sub for signal work. Ditching and cable trenching moving at a quick pace. Look for North Lansing, MA and Trowbridge to be cut over to new signals by the end of January, new intermediates East of Trowbridge to and including Williamston to be early February.

Also, new intermediate locations between Grand Ledge and Lake Odessa will be as follows:

CH107.5 near downtown Mulliken, CH 110, CH 113 and the signals at CH 116 will be replaced with new signals.

Also, a few road crossings are set for gates to be installed. Should be getting the new signals from Lako to GL H/O installed by sometime next spring/summer.
Word on the street is the entire Plymouth Sub will be new signals by summer of 2026, if not sooner.

Do we have any idea on when the east end will be done? Curious as to how Ann Pere will be handled