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What are the trains that operate on the CN main line across the UP and what time of the day are they normally spotted, particularly between Trout Lake and Saulte Ste Marie?
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WTF is “yupper”? It’s “Yooper”.
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Saturnalia wrote:
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WTF is “yupper”? It’s “Yooper”.
Hahahaha

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Saturnalia wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:09 am
WTF is “yupper”? It’s “Yooper”.
Gotta love autocorrect on this phone. You know the location I’m talking about Mr. “Ganassee & Wyoming”.
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There is a mixed freight between Gladstone and Sault Ste. Marie in each direction and a local that operates from Gladstone to Rudyard and back. I don’t know the days or times they run.
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Racer wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:52 am
Saturnalia wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:09 am
WTF is “yupper”? It’s “Yooper”.
Gotta love autocorrect on this phone. You know the location I’m talking about Mr. “Ganassee & Wyoming”.
Touché :D

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The Gladstone to Sault train typically gets to SSM around 6-8p
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Any current word on the Watco take-over of the Trout Lake to Munising line?

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GAP wrote:
Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:05 pm
Any current word on the Watco take-over of the Trout Lake to Munising line?
It all depends on when the STB approves the acquisition. They are hoping to hear by October 1.

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Does anyone know the operational plan for the Trout Lake - Munising line, one control does get handed over?

I assume the new operator will operate from Trout Lake. It looks like the interchange will be at the small yard on the CN mainline, which is where the current interchange between CN trains happens now as I understand it.

Also, what customers are on this line?

What I see appears to be LP in Newberry, Northern Hardwoods in Newberry (tracks, no cars), Another pulpwood place in Newberry (no name on the map), a pulpwood place west of Newberry by the Tahquamenon River (no cars). Pulpwood loading in Seney (again no cars and doesn't look well used), plus another west of Seney, another possibly in Shingleton (no cars), and finally in Munising, Neenah Paper.

Are there any customers I missed on this line? About how many weekly carloads are expected on the line?

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chapmaja wrote:
Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:20 pm
Does anyone know the operational plan for the Trout Lake - Munising line, one control does get handed over?
Honestly, CN currently runs the line almost like a shortline. So other than different locomotives (I believe they are getting two), I would expect the operational plan to remain largely the same.
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Also, what customers are on this line?
I believe there are currently only four customers. To my knowledge there is only one active pulpwood yard on the line. Please correct me if I am wrong. There have been reports that CN has been spotting tank cars on the Northern Hardwoods spur, but I cannot 100% confirm this.
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Does the small mill in Newberry still get inbound logs?
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The wood loading spur 2 miles west of Seney has been empty for maybe 10 years, although the track remains. Timber Products at Forest Center(Wetmore) is a shipper. There is or was a log shipper on that line,per a WC video on youtube.
AARR, if that small sawmill you are referring to in Newberry is near Newberry Lumber, it has been mty for the past couple of years, no cars,no logs. It was quite a busy place in recent years, always with three or more cars on hand, usually Besse Forest Products cars.

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You're correct Tom. The Besse spur is the one I'm referring too. It'd be nice if Watco can get the pulp wood/log business back.
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Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:49 pm
AARR, if that small sawmill you are referring to in Newberry is near Newberry Lumber, it has been mty for the past couple of years, no cars,no logs. It was quite a busy place in recent years, always with three or more cars on hand, usually Besse Forest Products cars.
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chapmaja wrote:
Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:20 pm
Does anyone know the operational plan for the Trout Lake - Munising line, one control does get handed over?

I assume the new operator will operate from Trout Lake. It looks like the interchange will be at the small yard on the CN mainline, which is where the current interchange between CN trains happens now as I understand it.

Also, what customers are on this line?

What I see appears to be LP in Newberry, Northern Hardwoods in Newberry (tracks, no cars), Another pulpwood place in Newberry (no name on the map), a pulpwood place west of Newberry by the Tahquamenon River (no cars). Pulpwood loading in Seney (again no cars and doesn't look well used), plus another west of Seney, another possibly in Shingleton (no cars), and finally in Munising, Neenah Paper.

Are there any customers I missed on this line? About how many weekly carloads are expected on the line?
They will be reporting out of Newberry. CN will be retaining the Trout Lake depot.

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AARR wrote:
Tue Aug 31, 2021 6:53 am
You're correct Tom. The Besse spur is the one I'm referring too. It'd be nice if Watco can get the pulp wood/log business back.
Tom Train wrote:
Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:49 pm
AARR, if that small sawmill you are referring to in Newberry is near Newberry Lumber, it has been mty for the past couple of years, no cars,no logs. It was quite a busy place in recent years, always with three or more cars on hand, usually Besse Forest Products cars.
I was in Newberry on September 26th. I saw four log flats on the old sawmill spur downtown (Kimberley-Clark/ Louisiana-Pacific/ Besse). I believe all the cars were Besse Forest Products cars. No sign of loading going on. Perhaps these cars are being stored here.

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I just read that U. P. Propane recently received a state grant to enable them to install a spur at their facility in Escanaba to bring product in by rail. Is this the facility right at US-2 and 426 on the north side of town? Has anyone been by to note if construction has actually taken place?

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Yes that is the UP Propane site. It was in operation last year.

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