CSX Trackage rights on the CN?

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CSX Trackage rights on the CN?

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Hello all,

I found this picture of the CSX system on Facebook (actually, on the official CSX page), and I noticed something odd. In Michigan, specifically central Michigan, there's a dotted route that goes SW/NE. Now, I swear that that's the same general location as the CN South Bend and Flint(?) subs. Does CSX have trackage rights over these routes? Are they ever exercised?

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CSX has trackage rights on the CN from Flint (Kearsley) to Port Huron, to access their PH&D assets.
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I did see today that CSX filed for trackage rights between Wellsboro and Munster, Ind. over the CN former "GTW"

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In addition to the former PH&D, CSX has traffic (mostly chemical) in and south of Sarnia, Ontario.

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Does the Sarnia traffic still go south then through the Detroit Tunnel to Rougemere?
CR900945 wrote:In addition to the former PH&D, CSX has traffic (mostly chemical) in and south of Sarnia, Ontario.
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Sarnia traffic goes through the Sarnia-Port Huron tunnel and then west to Flint. The CSX route in Canada is a dead end line. It no longer goes as far as Chatham.

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The Sarnia traffic does cross at Port Huron, but it does not go anywhere near Flint.

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Mike H wrote:The Sarnia traffic does cross at Port Huron, but it does not go anywhere near Flint.

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Where does it go, then? Are you saying that only the PHD traffic goes to Flint? Seems odd CSX would short-haul itself by handing anything over to CN at Port Huron.

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CSXT Traffic from Sarnia goes to Toledo on the CNR. I think this is under a haulage agreement. Pt. Huron traffic moves via C&O to Flint than down to Toledo.

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OK, thanks. Always interesting how routings are carefully split up based on the best deal for everything.

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The person that drew this map is the same person that routes traffic for Bear Truss in St. Louis via Elmdale from GRP. Also routes CSS&SB traffic for Burns Harbor for a Michigan City setout. Also routes well drilling rig mud from Gillette, Wyoming to Mt. Pleasent thru Elmdale too.
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Thanks for that. It's weird they wouldn't update (or get rid of) the first one, particularly since it's the one you're most likely to see on their site.

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KenB wrote:CSXT Traffic from Sarnia goes to Toledo on the CNR. I think this is under a haulage agreement. Pt. Huron traffic moves via C&O to Flint than down to Toledo.
Thank you for clarifying, KenB. Oddly, there is occasional interchange between CSX and CN in Port Huron, but it seems to be a car here and there, not an entire train at a time.
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