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Saturnalia wrote:
Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:48 pm
Beverly Shores is great, only problem now is that the blue light is behind the pole line as viewed from approaching trains, and the call button is in the middle of the platform so the noobs will struggle to find it.
Hmmm ... no sign to warn "fraudulent activation may result in prosecution" (and no trains running with engineers to annoy).

Yes, the blue light is barely noticeable from the platform, let alone from a distance in a 79 MPH train. They really need to replace the simple flashers with high intensity strobes, or put a high intensity light on the portal beam that extends across the track. Wasn't the old light a high intensity strobe? I recall seeing it without looking for the light.


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Mon Oct 16, 2023 2:08 am
... Wasn't the old light a high intensity strobe? I recall seeing it without looking for the light.
They were in 2006.




Did they have to widen the track spacing at Ogden Dunes for the gauntlet or was that planned for when they put the second track in? That was what, 10-15 years ago?

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Did they have to widen the track spacing at Ogden Dunes for the gauntlet or was that planned for when they put the second track in? That was what, 10-15 years ago?
There were track shifts to make room. The final design should also incorporate enough space to add a guantlet to Track 2 at some point in the future for another high level platform as well.
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One of my favorite photos at Ogden Dunes because it shows the track shift.
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The foreground track is the old alignment across Hillcrest Rd. the gauntlet switch and platform track are on the new alignment. Note that the gauntlet track (away from the platform) is basically in line with the old alignment for Track 1.

If a gauntlet is added on Track 2 a similar shift would need to be done (building the platform track closer to the parking lot and the gauntlet track on the current main alignment. That build was part of the preliminary plans for the current Double Track project. Dune Park got a gauntlet instead of Ogden Dunes getting two gauntlets.

Track 1 past Ogden Dunes was built in 1998 during the "Wilson to Wagner" double track project. The old single main line at the station became Track 2. East and west of Ogden Dunes the new track was built on the north side of the old. There are track shifts on both sides of Ogden Dunes (the shift west of the station is shown below).
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One of my favorite photos at Ogden Dunes because it shows the track shift.
I was just there today for the first time, hoooooly crap.

Quite the project, that’s for sure.
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One of my favorite photos at Ogden Dunes because it shows the track shift.
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The foreground track is the old alignment across Hillcrest Rd. the gauntlet switch and platform track are on the new alignment. Note that the gauntlet track (away from the platform) is basically in line with the old alignment for Track 1.

Is there a reason they didn’t just have the gauntlet be the passenger loading track in this case, Aka the straight rail is the freight track away from the platform and the diverging move is the alignment up to the platform? Since all trains taking passengers stop at Ogden Dunes, this would have saved some work and $$ having to job everything over a couple feet…or even a couple inches!

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Is there a reason they didn’t just have the gauntlet be the passenger loading track in this case, Aka the straight rail is the freight track away from the platform and the diverging move is the alignment up to the platform? Since all trains taking passengers stop at Ogden Dunes, this would have saved some work and $$ having to job everything over a couple feet…or even a couple inches!
The original platform gauntlets were built that way. Experience showed that trains could run faster on the straight track. East Chicago was rebuilt a few years ago, Hegewich is scheduled to get the gauntlets flipped this year, Hammond's new station will have the gauntlets built to the new standard along with all the new DT-NWI gauntlets.

Yes, even though the passenger trains are coming in for a stop, they can run faster if they are on the straight track. The new gauntlet switches in rural areas are high speed switches which allow trains to pass faster. With freight trains limited to 35 MPH the gauntlet does not slow them down. Express passenger trains would have a few seconds delay, but overall having the straight track at the platform is a better option.

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justalurker66 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:56 pm
GP30M4216 wrote:
Mon Oct 16, 2023 8:58 pm
Is there a reason they didn’t just have the gauntlet be the passenger loading track in this case, Aka the straight rail is the freight track away from the platform and the diverging move is the alignment up to the platform? Since all trains taking passengers stop at Ogden Dunes, this would have saved some work and $$ having to job everything over a couple feet…or even a couple inches!
The original platform gauntlets were built that way. Experience showed that trains could run faster on the straight track. East Chicago was rebuilt a few years ago, Hegewich is scheduled to get the gauntlets flipped this year, Hammond's new station will have the gauntlets built to the new standard along with all the new DT-NWI gauntlets.

Yes, even though the passenger trains are coming in for a stop, they can run faster if they are on the straight track. The new gauntlet switches in rural areas are high speed switches which allow trains to pass faster. With freight trains limited to 35 MPH the gauntlet does not slow them down. Express passenger trains would have a few seconds delay, but overall having the straight track at the platform is a better option.
The new #20 turnouts at Hegewisch, Miller, Ogden Dunes and Dune Park have a 40 MPH diverging speed. The fastest a freight can go on the SSL, excluding lite engines, is 40, so taking the diverging route is not a speed penalty.

The #15s at Hammond, East Chicago and Michigan City likewise do not impose a speed penalty on freight due to existing geometric restrictions on nearby curves. Those are 25 MPH on the diverging route.

The diverging route into the platform was originally chosen as the cheaper option and worked ok in the pre-PTC days when train crews could dive bomb into speed restrictions. However, PTC would start slowing trains down for East Chicago a mile in advance, for instance, adding lots of time to get over the road. Therefore the need to flip the gauntlets became obvious. Plus the bigger turnouts make it possible to not encumber freight at all.

When the gauntlets were originally installed at Hammond, Hegewisch and East Chicago, the SSL hadn’t yet gone to #20s as standard yet, except at CPs 58.1, 54.0 and 47.5, which were the ends of Double Track segments. It was only later that the #20s came to 73.8 (wholly new CP in the early 2000s) and replaced the #10s at Parrish 64.9, Clark 61.5, Paul’s 51.5, Tremont SDG and Tamarack SDG. After West Lake, Double Track and the Hammond/East Chicago upgrades, the only remaining #10s on the mainline route will be at State Line 69.2 (space constrained), Shops 32.2, Birchim SDG, Olive SDG and Grandview.

Express passenger trains simply take the platform route now at the new gauntlets.

Side note, Metra has yet to join the big turnout bandwagon. Almost every turnout on the Metra Electric is still a #10, making crossing over agonizing. Here’s hoping they will discover the magic of a #20 someday.
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were/are there snow melters on the gauntlet switches?

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were/are there snow melters on the gauntlet switches?
All powered turnouts appear to be so equipped.
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Revenue passenger trains in Michigan City ... it has been a long 20 months.
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Passengers headed to the ND game run to catch Saturday's train 503 to South Bend. They were waiting on the other platform before they realized the train was on Track 1.
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Westbound 506 in the Lafayette curve approaching the stop on Track 2.
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Eastbound 603 on Track 2.

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Train 603 climbs the hill east of Lafayette St headed back to Shops.
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Trains staged west of Dune Park. There is room for eight cars between the signals at Dune Park (CP 43.5) and the signals at Waverly Rd (CP 43.9). The cars were set up as two four car trains with an additional four car train at the platform (room for 16 cars - passenger train and bus loading at the east end of the platform).
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Creative boom work at Ogden Dunes. The boom is extended across both platforms and both tracks for the workers to work on the roof of the new platform. Road construction on US 12 would make operating the boom from the south side more difficult.

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And finally in Miller ...
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The platforms are nearing completion with signs and electronics.
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Work continues on Track 1 headed east up the hill over the CSX tracks (and Old Hobart Rd). This switch provides access to a two track storage yard (Track 2 is visible to the left).
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Storage tracks in the new yard east of Miller are beginning to take shape.

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11th St in Michigan City on a Saturday Afternoon

Meeting a train on 11th St on a Saturday Night

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Saturday in Michigan City - Construction of the parking structure and new station building. The ground has been leveled and marked for the construction of the foundation.
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Saturday at Miller Beach ... the former station area has been (mostly) cleared. Track work is continuing to the east of the station in the yard and where the new double track connects to the old (at Wilson). The pictures are taken from Lake St.
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At Dune Park ... the second platform has been rebuilt with a building added to protect the ADA lift that can be used if platform 2 is used. The trail marker sign is being moved to the pedestrian crossing.
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Back in Michigan City, the 10th St crossing of Amtrak. The "stop here for flashing signal" warning sign is left over from when the South Shore had a railroad crossing signal at that location.
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While the track is not 100% ready for trains, both tracks are now continuous from Michigan City to Gary with work underway to bring the track up to speed. Catenary installation is still underway.

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Saturday evening in Michigan City ... Traffic lights are working and interlocked.


Construction is continuing on the final segment between Dune Park and Gary.

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Pacing an eastbound train down 11th St. Not a lot of traffic on a Sunday afternoon.

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