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Richmond, Romeo & Rochester (RR&R)

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Updated 3/7/21

Richmond, Romeo & Rochester 1999

Tracks starts at Lenox Jct. in Richmond and extends to Auburn Hills just east of I-75 (approximately 32 miles)

Uses ex-GTW SW1200 1500 series, ex-GTW GP9 4400 series and GP38ac 5800 series (GTW 1776 bicentennial colors).

Interchanges with CN in Richmond

Operations is daily Romeo to Richmond and 1x per week Romeo to Auburn Hills

Engine house in Romeo

Serves customers beginning with:
Richmond - former Lapeer Coop, United Agricultural Products and now Star of the West: 12-15 inbound fertilizer cars per year

Romeo - (Ford Engine plant closed 2020. Currently looking for another tenant)
- 2-3 inbound cars a week of acids and cutting oils
- 3-5 outbound cars a week of scrap baled aluminum cubes
- 3-5 outbound box cars (60' 100 ton) per weekday of engines

Romeo - Allwood Building Components: Receives 1-3 carloads of lumber per month.

Washington - Capitol Fertilizer: Receives 55-70 cars of fertilizer and 22-33 cars of salt per year (spur unloads 3 cars)

Rochester - Barry Plastics: Receives 3-5 cars per week of plastic pellets (spur holds 8 cars and unloads 5). Occasionally, once a month on average, a 2nd switch per week is required if they need a 6th car to unload due to increased production.

Rochester - (former Wickes & United Building Supply now Acme Building Materials): Receives 4-6 carloads per year of roofing shingles

Auburn Hills - Church's Wholesale: Receives 1-3 carloads of lumber per month.

Auburn Hills - At the very end of the line Peninsula Plastics transloads plastic pellets. They built a rather lengthy unloading system (similar to what Precision Poly in Grand Rapids has). They receive several cars every other week.

New business opportunities are scarce. Star of the West could ship out beans (single carloads) and small blocks of grain (3-5 cars). Possible small truss builder in Richmond. Small feed mill in Armada. Industrial Park in Romeo but all small prospects. A couple small plastic plants between Rochester and Auburn Hills.

We keep trying to persuade National Asphalt Production in Shelby Twp. to transload it's limestone in our Romeo Yard. This would amount to 3500 carloads a year. But they continue to receive it from a boat dock in Marysville (near Port Huron) for now.
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TRS Components relocated to an old plant in Romeo (north of the former Wickes lumber yard). Another potential but small customer.
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Good news...Allwood Building Components in Richmond and TRS in Romeo are merging and will consolidate its operations at TRS Romeo site due to larger property. A short one car spur will be built on their property. They expect to receive 1-3 cars per month. They will be switched by my M-F Romeo-Richmond job. ABC/TRS is located south of Romeo while my yard is north/east so their cars will have to be pushed about 1-2 miles.

Theuts, a local ready-mix company with 5-6 locations, has indicated some interest in establishing an aggregate distribution location next to my Romeo Yard where some land recently was put up for sale. The land is already zoned commercial and is not in close proximity to residential, so it looks favorable at this point. We are checking with several pits and origin/connecting railroads for viability. This would be a nice new customer adding over a thousand carloads per construction year.
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Late notice: Since the Ford Engine Plant closed at the end of 2020 service has been once a week. The job starts in Romeo, works to Richmond and picks up, works to the end of the line in Auburn Hills, back to Richmond to set out, then returns to Romeo to tie down. If all the customers require switching it might take two days to complete the round trip.
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There is a strong possibility a company that manufacturers roofing shingles from recycled plastic is looking at the ex-Ford Romeo Engine plant. Stay tuned.....
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After 25 years of on again off again discussions the possibility of a stone transload coming to Romeo is very real.....Stay tuned.
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Here is the back story to the possible stone traffic. Theut's is a local aggregate, brick, concrete, etc. company with five locations in Macomb and St. Clair Counties. They are interested in establishing their own stone yard for distribution to their plants as well as others. The pit in Wallace, MI (west of Pigeon) is interested. HESR is interested in hauling the stone to either Saginaw (LSRC) or Durand (CN). CN is not interested in the traffic (60-90 15-car blocks per year). CSX is interested but is not sure if they want to add 15 car blocks to their existing trains between Flint and Port Huron (CN trackage rights) or a dedicated 50 car block (18-27 of them). Once the cars get to Port Huron, CN has even less than 0 interest in taking the cars to Richmond where RR&R interchanges with them (RR&R's only outside connection). So RR&R will exercise a clause in the Sale Agreement, that was made at the time of sale which CN agreed to just to get ride of the line, to use trackage rights on CN to Port Huron and directly interchange with CSX, that has never been used in the 25 years of RR&R's operation. CN will not be happy and it could lead to a legal battle.

RR&R's GP9 and GP38ac can easily handle 15 car blocks between Richmond and Port Huron on CN's Mt. Clemens Sub (17 miles). The SW1200, even though it was built for road service with flexcoil trucks, is not suitable for road service on a class 1 railroad because it is 62 years old and has not been overhauled/upgraded ever in its existence. If CSX decides on the 50 car block option RR&R will have to evaluate RR&R may have to look into adding a 3rd road freight unit (possibly a CN ex-GTW GP9r).

Theut's will go with a simple unloading operation digging a pit under the south passing siding in Romeo Yard, lining it with concrete and using a conveyor and front end loader to move the stone around. They are talking about starting by June. The property is for sale and zoned industrial and it won't take them much effort to prep.

We will have to see how it plays out.
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AARR wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:13 pm
...If CSX decides on the 50 car block option RR&R will have to evaluate RR&R may have to look into adding a 3rd road freight unit (possibly a CN ex-GTW GP9r).
Or the RR&R could go to CSX and buy a slugset! CSX has most of their slugs in storage which will probably never move again, so they'd be dirt cheap :lol:
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Thank you for the suggestion, David. I like your idea. A slug would match nicely with the GP38ac.
David Collins wrote:
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AARR wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:13 pm
...If CSX decides on the 50 car block option RR&R will have to evaluate RR&R may have to look into adding a 3rd road freight unit (possibly a CN ex-GTW GP9r).
Or the RR&R could go to CSX and buy a slugset! CSX has most of their slugs in storage which will probably never move again, so they'd be dirt cheap :lol:
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Here is some more data:

Based on tonnage ratings the GP9 and 38ac can handle a 50 car loaded stone train just fine on CN's Mt. Clemens Sub between Richmond and Port Huron (17 miles). However, a 9 and 38ac do not generate enough power to pull it on RR&R's Romeo Sub from Richmond to Romeo (13 miles). A 3rd unit will be needed.

The speed limit on CN's Mt. Clemens Sub is 45 mph. The speed limit on RR&R's Romeo sub is 10 mph. So a slug will provide the necessary traction effort on RR&R's slow segment but cut out on CN's faster segment.

If the stone contract is accepted and it arrives in 50 car blocks, a SLUG looks like a great fit for this movement.
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It was announced Certain Teed (has a vinyl siding plant in Jackson, MI and drop-ceiling tile plant in L'Anse, MI) is the company looking at the former Ford Engine plant.

Manufacturing roof shingles from recycled plastic is a relatively new product. Asphalt and fiberglass shingles are proven to last 25 years. Recycled plastic shingles are specified to last 50 but those are based on simulated test studies. Also, they cost significantly more than asphalt/fiberglass shingles. However, with the push toward going "green" consumers are willing to spend more thinking they are "saving the planet". So with MI's middle to left political climate CT is confident that investing in this plant is a good venture. It will be the first of its kind in the mid-west.

The plant will rely heavily on rail service for some inbound raw materials (adhesives, roofing granules and virgin plastic pellets) and outbound shingle packages (which are heavy and can maximize a box cars capacity and load limit).

All recycled plastic and chipped-rubber will arrive by truck from local sources.
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There is a strong possibility a company that manufacturers roofing shingles from recycled plastic is looking at the ex-Ford Romeo Engine plant. Stay tuned.....
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Shortly after Ford closed its engine plant at the end of 2020, GP38ac 1776 (GTW bicentennial colors) was transferred to Mt. Clemens and Selfridge (MC&S) to assist with excursion trains and occasional freight traffic. 1776 is used occasionally at MC&S July 4th, Memorial Day, air show and special events.
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One of the ways RR&R is earning revenue is storing cars in Romeo Yard. Romeo Yard is comprised of five tracks of which three can be used for storage. Because if its close proximity to Sarnia's chemical and petrol refineries, RR&R is used to both stage empties and loads (SIT) until they are needed by CN for distribution across North America. RR&R offers 24 hour turnaround time.
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As one of the few stockholders in the RR&RRR, I'm happy to see my investment is finally turning a profit.....on paper anyways :)

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:lol:
Michael wrote:
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As one of the few stockholders in the RR&RRR, I'm happy to see my investment is finally turning a profit.....on paper anyways :)
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AARR wrote:
Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:13 pm
Here is the back story to the possible stone traffic. Theut's is a local aggregate, brick, concrete, etc. company with five locations in Macomb and St. Clair Counties. They are interested in establishing their own stone yard for distribution to their plants as well as others. The pit in Wallace, MI (west of Pigeon) is interested. HESR is interested in hauling the stone to either Saginaw (LSRC) or Durand (CN). CN is not interested in the traffic (60-90 15-car blocks per year). CSX is interested but is not sure if they want to add 15 car blocks to their existing trains between Flint and Port Huron (CN trackage rights) or a dedicated 50 car block (18-27 of them). Once the cars get to Port Huron, CN has even less than 0 interest in taking the cars to Richmond where RR&R interchanges with them (RR&R's only outside connection). So RR&R will exercise a clause in the Sale Agreement, that was made at the time of sale which CN agreed to just to get ride of the line, to use trackage rights on CN to Port Huron and directly interchange with CSX, that has never been used in the 25 years of RR&R's operation. CN will not be happy and it could lead to a legal battle.

RR&R's GP9 and GP38ac can easily handle 15 car blocks between Richmond and Port Huron on CN's Mt. Clemens Sub (17 miles). The SW1200, even though it was built for road service with flexcoil trucks, is not suitable for road service on a class 1 railroad because it is 62 years old and has not been overhauled/upgraded ever in its existence. If CSX decides on the 50 car block option RR&R will have to evaluate RR&R may have to look into adding a 3rd road freight unit (possibly a CN ex-GTW GP9r).

Theut's will go with a simple unloading operation digging a pit under the south passing siding in Romeo Yard, lining it with concrete and using a conveyor and front end loader to move the stone around. They are talking about starting by June. The property is for sale and zoned industrial and it won't take them much effort to prep.

We will have to see how it plays out.
Definitely sounds like the RR & R may be in need of additional power. Recently Lighthouse Logistics owner of the Beachwood Central Terminal (ex CSX Ottawa Beach branch) my unpublished paper railroad was looking for power. In our search I recalled seeing an ex CSX EMD GP 40-2 mother/slug combination for lease/sale which could be a perfect fit for your operation.
The website for more information can be found @ manchinio.com

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Thank you! I appreciate the information.
GR H & C wrote:
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Definitely sounds like the RR & R may be in need of additional power. Recently Lighthouse Logistics owner of the Beachwood Central Terminal (ex CSX Ottawa Beach branch) my unpublished paper railroad was looking for power. In our search I recalled seeing an ex CSX EMD GP 40-2 mother/slug combination for lease/sale which could be a perfect fit for your operation.
The website for more information can be found @ manchinio.com

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