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have a good night there chip

On that note I really need to get to bed. 4am comes awful quick

~Z~ wrote: i hear ya. my company thankfully realized what was going on and are trying hard to retain the employees. got a good boost for the last pay raise.

That’s why I hate 4 year contracts. I would much rather do 3 to help hedge against rapidly changing economic conditions

Rumor is (from someone I know who works for IUAW downtown) they’re going to fight to get pensions restored for everyone. It would be nice but I don’t see that happening, plus that would mean a guaranteed strike.

then again, some investment group are trying to buy out Ryder, submitted an offer last week. Hope it doesn’t fly: https://www.fleetowner.com/news/article ... buyout-bid

i hear ya. my company thankfully realized what was going on and are trying hard to retain the employees. got a good boost for the last pay raise.

~Z~ wrote: i understand - i’m just saying that your buying power is going down as inflation is rocketing up.

yeah, no kidding

I know 1 raise was 3% and the other 4%, I just can’t remember off hand which is which

i understand - i’m just saying that your buying power is going down as inflation is rocketing up.

~Z~ wrote: hope they renegotiate the raises as if it’s only 4% during inflation like this, you’re actually earning less than you were last year.

the contract is public record so you can look it up yourself. It was 3% (I think, could be 4) year 1 (for all members regardless of pay rate), year 2 was a $2500 lump sum (only if you were at max pay for minimum of 1 year), year 3 is either 3 or 4 percent and year 4 is another $2500

~Z~ wrote: so about a grand a year in union fees, gotcha.

IIRC I think I paid about $1400 last year. They take a certain percentage of your bonus checks (mainly profit sharing) too which I find to be BS but there’s nothing I can do about it.

hope they renegotiate the raises as if it’s only 4% during inflation like this, you’re actually earning less than you were last year.

I am of the opinion that you should spend minimum of 5 years in final assembly before being able to bump to body shop. It makes you truly appreciate how good you have it. Plenty of people who came to body with me from final share that opinion

so about a grand a year in union fees, gotcha.

~Z~ wrote: minus union fees right? That’s decent pay at least for that type of work.

I’m also in body shop where the work is WAY easier than final assembly. 80% of the jobs are loading parts into robots/fixtures and the machines do the rest

Union dues are 2 1/2 hours per month which for me comes out to around $75

~Z~ wrote: man, that’s some crap pay for a company like Ford. Most of our warehouses are doing $18-$21 an hour to start, plus signing bonuses.

Contract expires next year and the union is looking to change that. The company wouldn’t come to the table early, it doesn’t suit their financial goals.

minus union fees right? That’s decent pay at least for that type of work.

Might be 3 percent but I’m pretty sure it’s 4. I’ll have to look it up in the contract

It’s a great job to have once you reach full seniority employment and you’re on the 4 year plan to top pay. I’m at $31.56 right now and due for a 4% raise in September.

and they mostly hire in as employees, not temps, and health coverage pretty quick at the start. Fairly easy on the body, just getting on and off the lift trucks. if you are on case picking, that’s a bit harder on you.

My plant is looking to potentially bring in a 3rd shift when the new Ranger launches next year if the supply chain improves.

man, that’s some crap pay for a company like Ford. Most of our warehouses are doing $18-$21 an hour to start, plus signing bonuses.

About the only time you have any kind of guarantee is if a plant is bringing in an additional shift and that rarely ever happens. Most plants are already on 3 shifts except for the Mustang plant which will only ever have 1 shift ever again. I’m 99.99999 percent certain that plant will be closed by the end of the decade.

So basically you’re better off going to work for McDonalds at $15/hr plus a $500 sign on bonus rather than beating the hell out of your body with zero guarantee of continued employment after a certain amount of time

~Z~ wrote: what’s ford offering for pay? if 160 come in and only 39 are left, sounds like the pay ain’t great.

Starts at $16.67. The problem is temps only max out at 19-something and they absolutely only hire people as temps to start with. Union contract states that after a year of continuous employment the company must make you a full seniority employee but they failed to close the loophole that makes it so all they have to do is a 1 week TLO and the clock resets.

I’m dragging you down with me.

GRH&C is finding old photos of mine.

Z I couldn’t help myself

hey sd80mac, can i leave that Hamilton post or hide it? dunno if it’s actually official now or not.

what’s ford offering for pay? if 160 come in and only 39 are left, sounds like the pay ain’t great.

I didn’t have a choice. It was either work or do sports. I chose work.

SD80MAC wrote: Same here, I worked for the family business since the time I was about 13-14. Much more enjoyable than sports

It sounds like you had an option (i.e. whether or not to work in the family business). Some of us weren’t exactly given an option. It was just expected that I’d spend my summers and school vacation working. It’s hard to go to sports camp when you’re working 40 hours a week all summer...

That said if you know anyone who lives in the area, Ford is hiring

There’s always some that leave the first day and never come back and that’s expected to a degree, that’s why they always bring in more than what they need but that large of a number is unheard of

The starting wage hasn’t changed much since then and now they cant keep new hires for more than a day. For instance my plant just had 160 people go through orientation last week. Only 39 came back today.

When I started at Ford in 2013 I started at $15.78/hr

2013 yes it was

Back then that was a great wage

SD80MAC wrote: The last few years during college I made $12 an hour and thought I was living like a king

SD80MAC wrote: When I started working I think minimum wage was $5.75, which is what I made

Same. I think by the time I left my first job ad McDonalds to go to CMU I was up to like $6.50 or something like that.

The last few years during college I made $12 an hour and thought I was living like a king

When I started working I think minimum wage was $5.75, which is what I made

has started a new topic: Hamilton Northwestern Railroad Co.

And I got paid!

Same here, I worked for the family business since the time I was about 13-14. Much more enjoyable than sports

Looks like SD80MAC and I are in the same boat. My parents made me play a bunch of different sports I didn't like including tee-ball, basketball, baseball, and soccer. Then I got a job and they accepted that I didn’t have time for them anymore

I played competitive sports until my early 30’s. That is when Mrs AARR informed me she was quitting her job to homeschool the kids so I had to get more serious about making money. I thought I would miss competitive sports but I actually loved our new family life. To my surprise I have no regrets.

I was a tier one 3-sport athlete through college and got all the girls. At least that’s how I remember it and I’m sticking to my story

Played tee-ball then my sports playing days were over until I played on an over 30 soccer league when I was under 30.

I was in band, then marching band in high school, that was plenty extracurricular for me

J T wrote:

SD80MAC wrote: My parents made me play soccer for 6 years and I absolutely hated it. I vowed I would never make my children do that if they didn’t want to

You weren’t able to try out a different sport?

I didn’t WANT to play sports

Both were working earning money before they were 13. I just don’t recall them being interested in video games or stuff like that.

Mrs. AARR homeschooled our kids and they never played video games...they weren’t interested. My son has been birding since he was 6, joined Audobon at 11 and now is a published photgrapher. Our daughter was riding horses pre-teen, rescuing dogs after she moved out at 18 and now is a trainer for both.

I loved diving though. By my junior year I was diving year round. High school team in the fall, AAU in the spring and summer. That was coed, so that made it equally enjoyable.