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RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby NSSD70ACe » Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:40 am

Y’all are gonna get a kick out of this:

www.railpassengers.org/happening-now/ne ... -in-the-us

The gist is:

Upgrading CHI-DET to 200+ mph

KAL-GRR-LAN-DET

Saginaw-Detroit-Toledo.

Plus a couple dozen other projects nationwide.
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby DaveO » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:16 am

I wouldn't call it a proposal. It's a poll, publicity and fundraising thing more than a proposal.
At least they didn't include a Traverse City route.
But IMHO if they are serious about expanding passenger rail service, then they should stick to actual serious route proposals.
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby ~Z~ » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:19 am

Their proposal seems like something that belongs in our Paper Railroads section.
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby AARR » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:02 am

That is a perfect fit because passenger trains aren't real trains :P
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby Ypsi » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:43 pm

It’s all fun and games until someone has to start writing checks
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby NYCMan » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:10 pm

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Obviously somebody writing comedy script for Saturday Night Live.
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby kd_1014 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:32 pm

200+???
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby DLM » Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:31 pm

Can I drink the Kool-Aid too?
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby JStryker722 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:31 pm

Out of all of those Michigan proposals,only one that makes sense is GRR-LAN-DET makes sense for a daily service BUT only if you do it by extending the current CHI-GRR Amtrak Pere Marquette all the way into Detroit along the C&O to Plymouth,turn south to Wayne JCT.,then turn east on the MC Main so that it is reasonably anchored with better potential max boardings at either end. Would require having 2 train sets a day but it give you an alternate CHI-DET routing to multiple college towns,just further North along Lake Michigan and then thru Mid-Michigan. Even if it only rolls along at 79mph after minimal track and signal upgrades and not 110mph like the Wolverine,the potential is good. Could even split it into CHI-GRR and GRR-DET just like the C&O days if you add in a 3rd and/or 4th train set.Send this extension north to Pontiac on CN too and you got yourself 8 trains a day for Dearborn,Detroit,Royal Oak/Troy,and Pontiac..the makings of beginner commuter service for much of Metro Detroit on the cheap.
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby NS3322 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:55 pm

JStryker722 wrote:Out of all of those Michigan proposals,only one that makes sense is GRR-LAN-DET makes sense for a daily service BUT only if you do it by extending the current CHI-GRR Amtrak Pere Marquette all the way into Detroit along the C&O to Plymouth,turn south to Wayne JCT.,then turn east on the MC Main so that it is reasonably anchored with better potential max boardings at either end. Would require having 2 train sets a day but it give you an alternate CHI-DET routing to multiple college towns,just further North along Lake Michigan and then thru Mid-Michigan. Even if it only rolls along at 79mph after minimal track and signal upgrades and not 110mph like the Wolverine,the potential is good. Could even split it into CHI-GRR and GRR-DET just like the C&O days if you add in a 3rd and/or 4th train set.Send this extension north to Pontiac on CN too and you got yourself 8 trains a day for Dearborn,Detroit,Royal Oak/Troy,and Pontiac..the makings of beginner commuter service for much of Metro Detroit on the cheap.


Very well said!
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby justalurker66 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:27 pm

"Northern Michigan Rail Corridor" is Detroit - Lansing - Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo
Not cities I think of when someone says "Northern Michigan".
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby kd_1014 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:37 pm

justalurker66 wrote:"Northern Michigan Rail Corridor" is Detroit - Lansing - Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo
Not cities I think of when someone says "Northern Michigan".


Yeah... especially Kalamazoo which is in Southwestern Michigan :lol:
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby chapmaja » Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:40 am

I find something interesting. We have been discussing the idea of extending the Detroit-Chicago train to Toronto, but that did not make their list it appears.

I do like the idea of having a Detroit-Lansing-Grand Rapids routing, as that would have been something I likely would have used when I attended GVSU and didn't have a car.
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby justalurker66 » Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:54 am

chapmaja wrote:I find something interesting. We have been discussing the idea of extending the Detroit-Chicago train to Toronto, but that did not make their list it appears.

They have a Detroit - Toronto ... and it mentions Chicago - Toronto

Detroit - Toronto

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Passenger service between Detroit and Toronto hasn’t existed since at least 1971 and, according to Amtrak, the last direct train to pass through the route did so in 1967. So when Amtrak announced that it was adding extending one of the Chicago to Detroit Wolverine runs to its FY2020 wishlist, it was met with great fanfare. The partnership with Canada’s Via Rail would be an economic boon for both sides of the border.

If improvements were made over the 230 mile stretch to accomodate for core service speeds of at least 150mph, the normally 4 hour drive could be made in a little more than 90 mins by train—minus the time needed to cross the border.


I would not run Detroit - Toronto unless the train was a Chicago - Toronto run or had a connection to a Chicago - Detroit train.
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby Doktor No » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:46 am

Excellent Jstryker, well put. Make your proposal to the powers that be and see what they say. There are meetings for the public...MAKE A PRESENTATION. I think its is an excellent idea. And gee...Back to the Future...C&O service as in 1962. How cool is THAT!
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby Steve B » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:10 am

I'd be satisfied if all of Amtrak's Chi-Det trains could simply match the NYC's 4:45 Twilight Limited running time of the 1930s. Run that day in and day out consistently, and it'd be truly competitive with car transportation.

Since we're not even close to doing that, it's probably ridiculous to talk about 200 MPH. But who knows-- maybe it'd be easier to get money for a "moonshot" project in one fell swoop instead of
a dozen smaller appropriations bills.

I wouldn't get too excited, or angry, about that group's proposals. It's a Christmas wish list and in one form or another they've been advocating for it for decades.
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby JStryker722 » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:08 pm

Thank you for the compliment Doktor No. I would love to turn my idea into a full-fledged proposal for presentation to MDOT or even just the MARP people but I'd be lost on to come by making it happen or find out who to talk to.
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby Doktor No » Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:07 am

Do a little research, make a phone call to MDOT or MARP. I am sure they would either direct you to whom to see or at least like to hear you out. They won't bite you and the worst that could happen is a polite no to your proposal. JUST DO IT...
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby JStryker722 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:31 pm

Doktor No,you happen to know how to get ahold of the people of MARP? Wouldnt mind starting there.
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Re: RPA Proposes 31 New Corridors, 3 in Michigan.

Unread postby Raildudes dad » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:29 am

JStryker722 wrote:Doktor No,you happen to know how to get ahold of the people of MARP? Wouldnt mind starting there.


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