Raildudes dad wrote:search Kent Barry Eaton Connecting on this site. There's plenty to read
Tim wrote:by wyrickj on Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:41 pm
Hey I have a few questions on the old Jackson to GR branch line.
1st - Why was most of the line that's no longer rail not been put into the rail trail program? I've noticed buildings in Bing maps built on the right of way near Middleville. Also there's an old bridge that crosses the Thornapple river between Middleville and airport rd in Hastings and from what I saw is at the other side of the bridge is blocked off. I'm sure it's private property but I guess I'm confused as to why most of it was never made into the rail trail system. Were people greedy in that they wanted the land? I'd like to see Paul Henry expanded as it's my favorite trail.
2nd - Was there business left just before they took the line out? Was Bradford white in Middleville ever a shipper? Was there businesses there that no longer exist today like grain elevators because they tore it out?
3rd - What do you think will become of the northwest side of the line at 44th and Kalamazoo ave? I've kinda checked it out and there's not much there left other than some small pieces of rail and ties. Do you think it could be a good starting point for some future commuter train to go downtown? I see a lot of people taking the bus around there so maybe in the future it might work. Also who owns the rail bed currently up to Steelcase?
Here is all I could find on the KBE, might be a duplicate of what you already have.
by GrandTrunkFan on Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:57 pm
I can answer #2 for you. Yes Bradford White was a customer. They'd ship out water heaters by rail for years but stopped in the early 80s because they were having too many get damaged. This was right before Kent Barry Eaton Connecting Railroad went belly up. Other customers around Hastings were Hasting Manufacturing, there was a Kent Feeds Elevator, and I've heard Consumers Power unloaded power poles on the same line as Hastings Mfg. They used part of the old CK&S line to serve Hastings Mfg and Consumers, the old bridge over the river is still there. EW Bliss Manufacturing shipped by rail too. There was also a grain elevator in Vermontville that was on the end of the line. I'm sure there's more but that's just off the top of my head.
by Mark F on Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:50 pm
The state was interested in purchasing the entire line from GR to Rives Jct after KBEC went belly up in the mid 80's. Unfortunately this was in the infancy of the Rails-to-Trails movement and a few well organized NIMBYs convinced the state and local governments that a trail was a bad idea. A local resident in the Middleville area bought up as much of the corridor as possible to preserve it for trail use. The Thornapple Trail Association has been trying to connect these preserved sections ever since. NIMBYs also successfully stopped any future extension of Kent Trails from Byron Center down to Allegan on the old NYC.
Posted by Don Simon on 8/17/2010, 8:23 am, in reply to "KBEC and TRAINS magazine"
Interesting picture. Those look like small covered hoppers. KBEC tried a movement of aggregate/sand from a pit in Irving. Someone forgot to do something with the brakes and they dragged the cars to Grand Rapids with the brakes on ruining the brakes, axles, wheels, etc. I'm wondering if those are the cars involved in the incident.
MQT1223 wrote:Outside of town South to Allegan there should be hardly any obstacles until you get to Allegan when it comes to placing a trailhead. Don't count on any plans to go to Otsego from there, most of the ROW has been obliterated thanks to farmers east of Allegan and is next to impossible to follow. If you want to find where the tracks went you have to start in Otsego where the tracks served by Grand Elk end. Could Always go up the line towards Hamilton too.
J T wrote:MQT1223 wrote:Outside of town South to Allegan there should be hardly any obstacles until you get to Allegan when it comes to placing a trailhead. Don't count on any plans to go to Otsego from there, most of the ROW has been obliterated thanks to farmers east of Allegan and is next to impossible to follow. If you want to find where the tracks went you have to start in Otsego where the tracks served by Grand Elk end. Could Always go up the line towards Hamilton too.
Actually, there are large sections of the ROW south of Byron Center that have been erased from the earth by farmland. In those areas, a bike path would have to detour along nearby country roads.
MQT1223 wrote:So the past few days I have been trying to find anything on this railroad. Hardly anything on RRfan about this line or the internet. All I know is it used a couple of leased Ann Arbor locos and that it folded after less then 10 years of operation after a lot of promise when it first opened. Even Governor Milliken was excited about it due to the ownership of the railroad. It was historically significant as it was the first minority owned rail line and ran on the former NYC from Grand Rapids to Vermontville, a little over 40 miles on track excluded from Conrail. The entire KBE ROW is being developed into the Thornapple Trail from Kzoo/44th to Vermontville. All I can find are a few photographs of the locomotive used on the line sitting in Owosso, and the poor management of the company led to its demise. What kind of industries were served on the line and do any photographs of the line exist? Why was the track excluded from Conrail, abandonment fears? The line from Vermontville to Jackson was not as fortunate early on. Any other miscellaneous info is welcome as well.
wyrickj wrote:MQT1223 wrote:So the past few days I have been trying to find anything on this railroad. Hardly anything on RRfan about this line or the internet. All I know is it used a couple of leased Ann Arbor locos and that it folded after less then 10 years of operation after a lot of promise when it first opened. Even Governor Milliken was excited about it due to the ownership of the railroad. It was historically significant as it was the first minority owned rail line and ran on the former NYC from Grand Rapids to Vermontville, a little over 40 miles on track excluded from Conrail. The entire KBE ROW is being developed into the Thornapple Trail from Kzoo/44th to Vermontville. All I can find are a few photographs of the locomotive used on the line sitting in Owosso, and the poor management of the company led to its demise. What kind of industries were served on the line and do any photographs of the line exist? Why was the track excluded from Conrail, abandonment fears? The line from Vermontville to Jackson was not as fortunate early on. Any other miscellaneous info is welcome as well.
I heard that they did not pass the interchange fees to other railroads and just pocketed it when they collected it from customers. I also read somewhere the operating cost was around $900k a year nearly 5x that of Conrail's operating cost. I am really surprised there was no criminal charges filed considering from what I have read/heard that it almost seems criminal in nature. I have studied this line a lot considering it's one of my favorite trails in the area and I always wondered if there was hope business would have picked up if KBEC was not poorly ran and had been maintained during the penn central era.
KittyLitter wrote:The ALCO was painted by the railfan community for KBEC if I remember rightly. KBEC then proceeded to let it freeze up and crack the engine block making it a nicely painted paper weight.
jimnorthwood wrote:My recollection is that one of the principals in the KBEC venture was originally a motorman for the DSR, then a bus driver after streetcar operations were terminated. How this qualified him to be a shortline railroad owner/operator is unclear to me. Perhaps one of the other company officers knew something about railroading, although if you study the scant amount of information that is available about the operation you would probably come to believe that was NOT the case.
rob wrote:KittyLitter wrote:The ALCO was painted by the railfan community for KBEC if I remember rightly. KBEC then proceeded to let it freeze up and crack the engine block making it a nicely painted paper weight.
it didn't freeze. one of the layoff chessie worker went to start it and didn't open the blowout cocks. with the water in the motor, it bent the connecting rods. I heard this from the guy that did it.
Rob Brown
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