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Apache Railroad

Postby atrainguy60 on Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:04 pm

They are going to shut down.
http://trn.trains.com/en/Railroad%20New ... 0down.aspx

SNOWFlAKE, Ariz.-Catalyst Paper, based in Richmond, B.C., has announced the planned closure of the paper recycling mill at Snowflake and the subsidiary Apache Railway Co. The plant is scheduled to end production on September 30. After closing the mill site be prepared for sale and repurposing.


The Apache Railway is widely known for its fleet of Alco locomotives. The railroad is a common carrier incorporated in 1917. It operates 38 miles of track to an interchange with BNSF Railway at Holbrook.
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby Robertrains on Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:18 pm

atrainguy60 wrote:They are going to shut down.
http://trn.trains.com/en/Railroad%20New ... 0down.aspx

SNOWFlAKE, Ariz.-Catalyst Paper, based in Richmond, B.C., has announced the planned closure of the paper recycling mill at Snowflake and the subsidiary Apache Railway Co. The plant is scheduled to end production on September 30. After closing the mill site be prepared for sale and repurposing.


The Apache Railway is widely known for its fleet of Alco locomotives. The railroad is a common carrier incorporated in 1917. It operates 38 miles of track to an interchange with BNSF Railway at Holbrook.


Oh this is a shame! I luckily saw them running two times—on the same trip with Dad, 8-2008! We didn't get the best pictures, but just to see them operate was great! One train had six Alcos and the other had two!
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby Robertrains on Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:58 pm

atrainguy60 wrote:
After closing the mill site be prepared for sale and repurposing.


I'm hoping that a new company will come needing freight operations! If that happens, I'm hoping the Alcos will stay in service there! Who knows if that's going to happen? Also, are there any other customers for Apache? I remember seeing a spur that goes east toward the town of Snowflake! Whatever happens, this is SAD NEWS!
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby penn central on Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:56 am

I have nothing but good memories of the Apache Railroad i stood in the desert in Holbrook Arizona with my camera on a tripod for four hours waiting for the northbound in 110 degree temps, Then i heard a horn to the south he had five Alco's and 96 cars, In the consist of power where two recently bought CP C424's in fresh Apache paint. This was July of 1998. The engineer even got off the loco and chatted with me for over a half hour. By the way this is where the BNSF and Apache interchange, The trains on the BNSF were a virtual rainbow of colors, This is before the Gevo's. The Apache is going to be missed.
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby Robertrains on Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:00 am

penn central wrote:....By the way this is where the BNSF and Apache interchange, The trains on the BNSF were a virtual rainbow of colors, This (1998) is before the Gevo's. The Apache is going to be missed.


That is Holbrook, AZ. I'm glad you had a great time chasing the Apache! Railroading sure has changed a lot over the years! It's amazing what has changed in my lifetime! 1998 was a good year for trains, the year I turned 15!


Here's two photos from my collection that same year:

Conrail, Dolton 5-25-1998: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2485514

Bluewater Chapter excursion on Huron & Eastern, 7-25-1998: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2490260

Man, Conrail has been gone over 13 years, Bluewater is getting rid of their equipment, COE is no more, and now 2012 is one of the worst years for Alcos! Us Railfans don't have control over these situations! Some are good, but there's always "Stuff" being disposed of! I guess the '90s are now considered "Good Old Days" in some reguards! The best thing this year (my opinion) is Norfolk Southern's great comeback for their "30th!!!!"
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby CSX_CO on Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:42 am

Robertrains wrote:Us Railfans don't have control over these situations!


Sure you do, buy the operation/locomotive/car and run it.

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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby Robertrains on Sat Aug 04, 2012 12:22 pm

CSX_CO wrote:
Robertrains wrote:Us Railfans don't have control over these situations!


Sure you do, buy the operation/locomotive/car and run it.

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HAHAHAA that's true! You work for CSX, correct? Are you a Train Engineer? I've always wanted to be—I don't want to worry about running over people though. There are just too many accidents/trespassers daily and I don't want to feel bad! One thing I'm considering would be joining Michigan Transit Museum to help with their operations! There aren't many (if any) fatalities on that slow route! I first rode that line to Selfridge in 1988 (again in 1996)! Too bad they can't go on the base again! :(

Southern Michigan Railway Society and Toledo Lake Erie & Western also are great "Non-Profit, all Volunteer Railroads!" Those operations I find inspiring! Now, I guess the thing with Apache is: I've at least seen and photographed/videotaped the railroad! I may be traveling out that way about 1 year from now! I don't know if any Alcos will be left and/or where to photograph them! I know there's not good accessibility in Navajo land!
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby AARR on Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:18 pm

Unfortunately, Robert, the paper industry is in decline so you will see more paper related plants closing. The ones that do survive should ge good rail shippers though.
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby MQT3001 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:37 pm

It's far cheaper to produce paper in developing nations such as China & Brazil. Between Labor costs and environmental regulations, it's hard to run a profitable paper operation in the Untied States. It's easier to just make it in China and put it into those wonderful boxes.

When you think about it, railroads still get hundreds of carloads of shipping containers filled with paper, also not forgetting paper scraps being shipped to recycling facilities.
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby Chrisracer8903 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:46 am

MQT3001 wrote:It's far cheaper to produce paper in developing nations such as China & Brazil. Between Labor costs and environmental regulations, it's hard to run a profitable paper operation in the Untied States. It's easier to just make it in China and put it into those wonderful boxes.

When you think about it, railroads still get hundreds of carloads of shipping containers filled with paper, also not forgetting paper scraps being shipped to recycling facilities.


Ummmmm, what about the internet, e-mail, eBooks/ iPads, paperless billing? :?
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby CSX_CO on Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:53 am

MQT3001 wrote:It's far cheaper to produce paper in developing nations such as China & Brazil. Between Labor costs and environmental regulations, it's hard to run a profitable paper operation in the Untied States. It's easier to just make it in China and put it into those wonderful boxes.

When you think about it, railroads still get hundreds of carloads of shipping containers filled with paper, also not forgetting paper scraps being shipped to recycling facilities.


Does anyone know if we're importing paper from China? All the paper we get through Avon is shipped in 50' box cars with cushioned under frames. Scrap paper usually goes through in the same style of box cars. Crawfordsville, IN gets both, Paper for RR Donnelly, and scrap paper for Inland Container.

I'd imagine the decline in the paper industry has more to do with the decline in paper media, than importing paper from China. Granted, some of that is probably the packaging that is being produced there to box up their crap, but newspapers are dwindling, magazine subscriptions are falling, general mailings are dwindling, books are turning electronic, etc. Most of that was produced *locally* in the states or in Canada. I highly doubt we were importing that kind of paper from China. Believe it or not, it is a damage sensitive commodity, so shipping it over the Pacific Ocean would probably result in more harm than good. I believe that most of the newsprint grade paper comes from Canada now, at least the paper the Indy Star uses is. There was a big brew-ha-ha a few years ago about Canadian manufacturers being able to undercut US paper companies.

Just look at how the paper industry in SW Michigan has been decimated. Outside of Graphic Packaging in K-zoo, are any of the other mills still operating? Parchments mills are gone, Plainwell gone, Otsego's mill was shut down for awhile, until a new buyer could be found. All of that occurred before China became the manufacturing monster that it is.

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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby AARR on Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:29 pm

CSX_CO wrote:
MQT3001 wrote:I'd imagine the decline in the paper industry has more to do with the decline in paper media, than importing paper from China. Granted, some of that is probably the packaging that is being produced there to box up their crap, but newspapers are dwindling, magazine subscriptions are falling, general mailings are dwindling, books are turning electronic, etc.

That is my understnading too. Its not due to politics or cheap over sea labor. It has to do with us using less paper as you pointed out.

However, I believe scrap paper is shipped over seas in containers.
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby Fred on Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:50 pm

Sorry to hear another Short Line is ceasing operations. My friends & I were out that way in the early 90's and chased those Blue Alco's all the way from Snowflake to Holbrook, beautiful country made for nice pictures.
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby railohio on Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:05 pm

The last Apache coal train is running today in two sections:

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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby MKT_fan11 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:58 pm

CSX_CO wrote:Does anyone know if we're importing paper from China?


We go through a lot of paper at work (cut sheet sizes). Most of the paper we use has "Made in USA" on the package label, although there are a couple that say "Made in EC". I'm not sure where "EC" is (might be Ecuador or European Community or somewhere else).
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby ns8401 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:46 pm

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CSX_CO wrote:Does anyone know if we're importing paper from China?


We go through a lot of paper at work (cut sheet sizes). Most of the paper we use has "Made in USA" on the package label, although there are a couple that say "Made in EC". I'm not sure where "EC" is (might be Ecuador or European Community or somewhere else).


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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby atrainguy60 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:34 pm

Good news! The Apache Railroad is going to continue operating. It will serve a couple of other customers on the line. It will be keeping nine of twenty six employees.
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby MDH on Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:12 am

atrainguy60 wrote:Good news! The Apache Railroad is going to continue operating. It will serve a couple of other customers on the line. It will be keeping nine of twenty six employees.


Couple? The only one that I'm aware of is the Pig Farm (and storage cars). That's it. There used to be more, but not currently.

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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby AARR on Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:32 pm

MDH wrote:
atrainguy60 wrote:Good news! The Apache Railroad is going to continue operating. It will serve a couple of other customers on the line. It will be keeping nine of twenty six employees.


Couple? The only one that I'm aware of is the Pig Farm (and storage cars). That's it. There used to be more, but not currently.

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So the pig farm gets feed, right? Is it a mega feed mill that receives unit trains of feed or a little place that gets a couiple cars a week?
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Re: Apache Railroad

Postby Y@ on Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:51 pm

AARR wrote:So the pig farm gets feed, right? Is it a mega feed mill that receives unit trains of feed or a little place that gets a couiple cars a week?


I believe they get a handful of cars a day.
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