MQT3001 wrote:I think I have seen a picture of a train on that bridge...
MQT1223 wrote:Does anyone know if a small rural station or stop used to exist by 44th street? I have a whistle post that I saved from the woods behind the wedgewood apartments. It was pulled out of the ground and broke in half. I saved the top portion and restored it, but it was located roughly a 1/4 to 1/2 mile away from 44th street. The way the post is set up it has room above the W for a stenciled marking. Problem is the paint on the post was gone when I saved it from the woods. An LS&MS expert that I know said that it is configured in a way that the post is to also show an approach to a location to stop at along the line. That's why I want to see if any photographs exist also. The post was facing south on the north side of 44th street and is of a typical concrete LS&MS design.
J T wrote:MQT1223 wrote:Does anyone know if a small rural station or stop used to exist by 44th street? I have a whistle post that I saved from the woods behind the wedgewood apartments. It was pulled out of the ground and broke in half. I saved the top portion and restored it, but it was located roughly a 1/4 to 1/2 mile away from 44th street. The way the post is set up it has room above the W for a stenciled marking. Problem is the paint on the post was gone when I saved it from the woods. An LS&MS expert that I know said that it is configured in a way that the post is to also show an approach to a location to stop at along the line. That's why I want to see if any photographs exist also. The post was facing south on the north side of 44th street and is of a typical concrete LS&MS design.
Facing south, a 1/4 to 1/2 mile north of 44th? Did you find it between 44th and Pine Creek? I would guess that would indicate a whistle for a NB train for the Wentworth crossing, which would be a little over half mile north of where you found the post.
J T wrote:MQT1223 wrote:Does anyone know if a small rural station or stop used to exist by 44th street? I have a whistle post that I saved from the woods behind the wedgewood apartments. It was pulled out of the ground and broke in half. I saved the top portion and restored it, but it was located roughly a 1/4 to 1/2 mile away from 44th street. The way the post is set up it has room above the W for a stenciled marking. Problem is the paint on the post was gone when I saved it from the woods. An LS&MS expert that I know said that it is configured in a way that the post is to also show an approach to a location to stop at along the line. That's why I want to see if any photographs exist also. The post was facing south on the north side of 44th street and is of a typical concrete LS&MS design.
Facing south, a 1/4 to 1/2 mile north of 44th? Did you find it between 44th and Pine Creek? I would guess that would indicate a whistle for a NB train for the Wentworth crossing, which would be a little over half mile north of where you found the post.
J T wrote:Good luck. Photos of that line are pretty scarce. I'd love to see a shot of a train on the swing bridge over the Grand River near Indian Mounds Rd, but I'm afraid no old timer has a pic of that. And seeing how easy that shoreline was to access from Indian Mounds Rd, and that bridge runs north-south, photos should have been plenty in great sunlight on both sides. I'd also love to see shots of a train running through downtown Hopkins, but I doubt anyone has something like that in their collection. Oh, and crossing 28th Street in Wyoming...yeah, right.
MQT1223 wrote:Yeah I found it in the general area of the northern edge of the building with the white roof. That is a longer distance then one might think from 44th. Its more like two miles from the Wentworth crossing.
J T wrote:MQT1223 wrote:Yeah I found it in the general area of the northern edge of the building with the white roof. That is a longer distance then one might think from 44th. Its more like two miles from the Wentworth crossing.
Incorrect. From the spot you are saying you found it along the ROW to where the Wentworth crossing would exist is just over a half mile. Even if Wentworth didn't exist, it's roughly 3/4 mile from the north end of the building with the white roof to the 36th St. crossing, which I'm sure did exist back then.
C&O6084 wrote:GTW wanted to take the line? Highly unlikely. Are you sure your story teller isn't referring to the PRR Muskegon line? 50 MPH? Never happened.
LSMS and MC feuded viciously until the Vanderbilts cross-leased them (and their many sub-companies) in 1914, which made the LSMS "Gardner Line" worthless; While the MC main got lots of improvements (Lawton Cutoff, etc.), LSMS got absolutely nothing. It originated or terminated some gypsum, plaster and lumber, that's it. LSMS had no control or precedence at any of its crossings: Air Line, GT/Schoolcraft, MC/Kalamazoo, PRR/Otsego, and PM/Lamar. Connections in Grand Rapids with MC were undesirable (over PRR at Union) until the interurban folded and MC bought the section that paralleled the PRR Plaster Creek Branch and crossed the river. Very late 1920's.
I saw a NYC Geep crossing 28th street (flagmen & working lights/bell) when I was being kidnapped and forcibly taken downtown to get my shots for kindergarten; that was late Summer of 1964. 28th wasn't as built up then. My Mom, now 88, talks of seeing a NYC loco on the Interurban bridge only once in the 50's; I started believing her right about the time she saw the PM passenger train with a mix of HiLiner and Superliner and told me quite accurately which cars were like the ones she rode on when she took the El Capitan in the late '50's. Abouts 1972, PC parked a long line of obsolete auto racks and flexi-van flatcars on the LSMS (now Kent Trails) bridge in an attempt to keep party-ers off. In good weather, there were many hundreds of barely-legal kids drinking there on weekends. I have notes soewhere listing what was there, mostly NYC-painted equipment in green/cigarband.
C&O6084 wrote:GTW wanted to take the line? Highly unlikely. Are you sure your story teller isn't referring to the PRR Muskegon line? 50 MPH? Never happened.
LSMS and MC feuded viciously until the Vanderbilts cross-leased them (and their many sub-companies) in 1914, which made the LSMS "Gardner Line" worthless; While the MC main got lots of improvements (Lawton Cutoff, etc.), LSMS got absolutely nothing. It originated or terminated some gypsum, plaster and lumber, that's it. LSMS had no control or precedence at any of its crossings: Air Line, GT/Schoolcraft, MC/Kalamazoo, PRR/Otsego, and PM/Lamar. Connections in Grand Rapids with MC were undesirable (over PRR at Union) until the interurban folded and MC bought the section that paralleled the PRR Plaster Creek Branch and crossed the river. Very late 1920's.
I saw a NYC Geep crossing 28th street (flagmen & working lights/bell) when I was being kidnapped and forcibly taken downtown to get my shots for kindergarten; that was late Summer of 1964. 28th wasn't as built up then. My Mom, now 88, talks of seeing a NYC loco on the Interurban bridge only once in the 50's; I started believing her right about the time she saw the PM passenger train with a mix of HiLiner and Superliner and told me quite accurately which cars were like the ones she rode on when she took the El Capitan in the late '50's. Abouts 1972, PC parked a long line of obsolete auto racks and flexi-van flatcars on the LSMS (now Kent Trails) bridge in an attempt to keep party-ers off. In good weather, there were many hundreds of barely-legal kids drinking there on weekends. I have notes soewhere listing what was there, mostly NYC-painted equipment in green/cigarband.
C&O6084 wrote:
I saw a NYC Geep crossing 28th street (flagmen & working lights/bell) when I was being kidnapped and forcibly taken downtown to get my shots for kindergarten; that was late Summer of 1964. 28th wasn't as built up then.
SD80MAC wrote:Does anyone know how this line crossed the PM/C&O at Lamar? Was it interlocked or just have stop boards? I can't imagine there being a signal on all the leads in that spot.
kenN wrote:Lamar Tower was in the southeast quadrant of the diamond. It came down sometime after 1960, since I visited the tower that summer and talked with the operator. At that time, he still had to throw the "armstrong" levers to activate signals even though the lever movement no longer were connected to the turnouts; that was very near to its closing, and he complained about being out of a job. So there must have been signals as well, but I don't remember seeing any. I have seen a B&W picture of the tower itself, a good-sized brick building. The diamond itself survived until at least 4-5-71, which is when I took this shot. The LSMS tracks appeared intact then, but the tracks and the diamond were gone on a similar shot I took in 1975. KJN
J T wrote:C&O6084 wrote:
I saw a NYC Geep crossing 28th street (flagmen & working lights/bell) when I was being kidnapped and forcibly taken downtown to get my shots for kindergarten; that was late Summer of 1964. 28th wasn't as built up then.
Any memory of what Kent Door & Specialty was back then? The existing building obviously got rail service way back when, as it's angled to match the ROW and has loading dock doors consistent with rail service. I drive by that building every day and try to imagine what it would have been like to have tracks passing by and crossing 28th.
Edit: I'm reading the "About Us" section on Kent Door's website and it appears they moved in there in 1982. No mention of what it was prior to that.
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