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CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 9:46 pm
by pudgy
Grand Rapids Press article from March 17, 1998.

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Railroad Report from accident:

=====Accident 6 ===== RR report 039823011 =====Crossing ID=234716B =====

On Mar 16, 1998 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by CSX Transportation
hit a TRUCK at approximately 8:15AM in Michigan in ALLEGAN county
on 102ND ST. road. The incident occurred in/near PULLMAN city.
The TRUCK had been traveling in an easternly direction at 005 Mph.

The rail equipment was reported to have been traveling at 048 Mph
with 2 locomotive(s) and 40 cars(s). It was clear, during the day and the
temperature was 30.

The railroad was operating on main line track over a public road crossing.
The 40 year old male driver was moving on the crossing and was reported to have
stopped then proceeded. There was 1 occupant(s) in the vehicle.
The view of the track was not obstructed.

There were 1 death(s) and 1 injuries in this incident.
A Railroad Injury/Illness Report (form FRA-55a) was also filed.

The railroad was transporting hazardous material.
A Rail Equipment Accident Report (form FRA 6180-54) was also filed.

The crossing was protected by:
Standard flashing lights, Bells (audible), Crossbucks


WESTBOUND TRUCK ON 102ND AVE. DROVE INTO THE PATH ON NORTHBOUND TRAIN AT FLASHER CROSSING.

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:03 pm
by Saturnalia
The whole area is still showing some signs of the derailment. Shoulda looked for some souvenirs when I was there! The new Lee signals would be toast if this happened today. It is right about where the locomotives are in the picture.

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:09 pm
by J T
Thanks for that, Pudgy!

Couple of things...

20-30 trains a day? Holy crap!

So this guy who lived east of the crossing. Are we to believe he was awaken by the sound of the crash and was able to run down there and "watch the cars come to a halt"? Yeah, right...that sounds really far fetched. I think some embellishing was going on.

Railroad Report from accident:

=====Accident 6 ===== RR report 039823011 =====Crossing ID=234716B =====

On Mar 16, 1998 a FREIGHT TRAIN operated by CSX Transportation
hit a TRUCK at approximately 8:15AM in Michigan in ALLEGAN county
on 102ND ST. road. The incident occurred in/near PULLMAN city.
The TRUCK had been traveling in an easterly direction at 005 Mph.
Was the truck heading east or west? It mentions heading west twice in the article.

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:12 pm
by Racer
I can't believe the code line was not hit despite the log-jam of freight cars.

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:15 pm
by pudgy
I can't remember from those days how many trains went through, but as a kid, it seemed like the parade was non stop at times. Lots of CP traffic, plus, most of the container trains were single stacks or piggy stacks, due to the tunnel clearances. Didn't they used to single stack anything doubled in Detroit coming from Chicago? So they ran lots of extras it seems to get more traffic across the line. CSX also had all of its trackage in possession, so locals and long distance locals were a plenty.

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:17 pm
by Saturnalia
Chrisracer8903 wrote:I can't believe the code line was not hit despite the log-jam of freight cars.
I bet JT was disappointed to see that

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:21 pm
by pudgy
Chrisracer8903 wrote:I can't believe the code line was not hit despite the log-jam of freight cars.

If the cars were more double stacked, it probably would have taken it down. But most of the containers were single layers out of Chicago. I'm pretty sure it was before the tunnel clearances in Detroit that made double stacks accessible. I want to say that anything double stacked at that time eastbound was either delivered to Detroit (Oak Yard? Livernois?) or single stacked into the empty flats for the trip through to Windsor.

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:29 pm
by J T
MQT3001 wrote:
Chrisracer8903 wrote:I can't believe the code line was not hit despite the log-jam of freight cars.
I bet JT was disappointed to see that
:lol: :D

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:13 pm
by Jochs
Here's a photo I took the night it happened. (It is actually a photo of my photo I took. :lol: )

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By the time I found out about it, you couldn't get much farther than 102nd ave, as the road was blocked off north of there, so I parked at the little store there at the jog in the road and walked up the hill near the 102nd ave crossing and took this pic.

Yes, this signal would have been destroyed in the wreck had it been there in 1998. (This was taken about a year ago when the codeline was still there.)
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Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:20 pm
by Saturnalia
Here is a screenshot from my video looking south at Gingerbread Curve. 102nd ave is right behind the camera. For the record, the crossing is gated now...

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Gingerbread Curve by MQT3001, on Flickr

Not much "scenery", but I wonder if a certain photographer will be snapping a few pics here soon? :mrgreen:

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:39 pm
by AveryRdhouse
I remember that one well. I was in the hotel in Chicago when the word came down that X502 had clobbered a salt truck just north of Grand Junction. No trains would be running anytime soon and the re routes had already started. I was expecting a cab ride home but was called for a wreck train out of Barr yard. As usual, everything was in total melt down mode. Nobody knew anything, but we had to get going asap. We got our power, found some ballast cars that looked like they haven't moved in years and proceeded out to Curtis to wait for panel track coming out of Garrett. The BoB job finally got there and the cars where picked up and tested. Of course these were the days when things were already plugged up and our hot train was laughed at by the Conrail to get to our side. Park It CSX. I got trains to run! LOng story short, we finally arrived at Grand Jct. and put the train away in the pass. Then was told to go up to the wreck site with the power and pull back what we could of the train to the siding. When we arrived, the place was lite up like a football field. That area is usually pretty dark, but not that night. What a mess. Stack cars out across the street, containers out in the pucker brush and twisted metal everywhere. If I remember right, it was a good day and a half before the track was repaired enough to get trains through there again and a 25mph slow order was on for a good long time to. CP 5410 was the unlucky unit to take the hit along with a rent a wreck Helm unit. The crew survived, although a little banged up, the driver of the truck obviously didn't fare so well. The curve took on a new name for a long time. I wont post it here because it refer's to the engineer on that train. I don't know if anyone calls it that anymore.

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:27 pm
by pudgy
Thanks for sharing your story, Avery...it sure looked like a mess...as with all things, could have been much worse. The embankments look pretty flat there...imagine if it would happen at saugatuck or along Chicago Dr where the shoulder is real low...

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 9:27 am
by J T
Saturnalia wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:20 pm
Here is a screenshot from my video looking south at Gingerbread Curve. 102nd ave is right behind the camera. For the record, the crossing is gated now...

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Gingerbread Curve by MQT3001, on Flickr

Not much "scenery", but I wonder if a certain photographer will be snapping a few pics here soon? :mrgreen:
It took me over 9 1/2 years, but here it is! :lol: :D

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Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2022 6:12 pm
by Saturnalia
Ha, nice!

Ugh, what a freaking potato I was shooting with back then. Yikes.

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:20 am
by Jochs
pudgy wrote:
Wed Apr 10, 2013 10:21 pm
Chrisracer8903 wrote:I can't believe the code line was not hit despite the log-jam of freight cars.

If the cars were more double stacked, it probably would have taken it down. But most of the containers were single layers out of Chicago. I'm pretty sure it was before the tunnel clearances in Detroit that made double stacks accessible. I want to say that anything double stacked at that time eastbound was either delivered to Detroit (Oak Yard? Livernois?) or single stacked into the empty flats for the trip through to Windsor.
They started running double stacks in 1994, about 4 years before this derailment happened. I have a print somewhere from 1995 with a top container smashed because taller containers stacked on each other couldn't fit through the tunnel. I wish I knew where that print went!
I also have photos somewhere, I believe from April of 1994, of the first stack train to go through.

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 3:37 pm
by Doktor No
CP could run a double stack INTERNATIONAL container unit or a domestic AND an international but not TWO domestic boxes on each other. I remember this one...I think at least one container train in GRP went south on the Conrail to Elkhart and west. Some of the others out of Chicago went B&O then north to Detroit.

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:00 am
by Blaze06
Sorry for responding to this conversation very late but I’ve always wondered what happened at that curve after watching the Thornapple River Rail Series coal train chase video! Glad I was bored this morning and decided to research! And it’s nice to know there is a lot of history with this derailment even though it was very fatal and there were casualties. And one question, at the time of the derailment did the crossing have gates or no?

Re: CSX Pullman, MI Derailment, March 16, 1998.

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 7:27 am
by Standard Railfan
Blaze06 wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2024 9:00 am
Sorry for responding to this conversation very late but I’ve always wondered what happened at that curve after watching the Thornapple River Rail Series coal train chase video! Glad I was bored this morning and decided to research! And it’s nice to know there is a lot of history with this derailment even though it was very fatal and there were casualties. And one question, at the time of the derailment did the crossing have gates or no?
Read Pudgy’s post from April 10, 2013