COVID-19 Poll

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For craps and laughs, when do you think the "lockdown" orders will lift?

Within 1 Week
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3%
1-2 Weeks
3
9%
2-3 Weeks
5
15%
3-4 Weeks
7
21%
4+ Weeks
17
52%
 
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COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby Saturnalia » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:23 am

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Re: COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby Ypsi » Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:19 am

Considering the governor set it for three weeks.. there’s your likely minimum :lol:

IMO we should have a 14 day mandatory NATIONAL lock down. None of this soft and inconsistent language, 14 days everyone non essential stay the heck home in the entire country. That would and could *possibly* help slow everything down and flatten the curve. I would rather trade 14 days of nothing for 1-3 months of frankly dinking around with these softer lock downs and states not wanting to do it at the same time. At this point we more or less doing is prolonging the process by being inconsistent and not being on the same page. Ignoring political sides (this isn’t a shot as I really don’t care who’s making the calls), I think it’s poor response to see how our cases are exploding in the USA and having such a delayed and inconsistent response.
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Re: COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby PatAzo » Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:53 pm

Think in terms of a 1-2 year horizon. Not just how long the current stay-at-home order will last but how many more will there be. Until a vaccine is developed, as soon as John Q Public is turned loose on himself again the virus can take off again.

Ypsi wrote:I think it’s poor response to see how our cases are exploding in the USA and having such a delayed and inconsistent response.


When would you have closed the boarders and shutdown the economy? January 22nd when the first case was recorded here or in December when it was still in China?
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Re: COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby Ypsi » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:49 pm

PatAzo wrote:
Ypsi wrote:I think it’s poor response to see how our cases are exploding in the USA and having such a delayed and inconsistent response.


When would you have closed the boarders and shutdown the economy? January 22nd when the first case was recorded here or in December when it was still in China?

I never gave a time line of when I would, but I believe that we are seeing the results of a slow response time and poor decisions. Like I said I would trade 14 days at home for this drawn out processes.

However in RETROSPECT, if closing the borders at that time would have prevented this whole thing, absolutely. Too many have died and too many will die.
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Re: COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby J T » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:36 pm

Ypsi wrote:I never gave a time line of when I would, but I believe that we are seeing the results of a slow response time and poor decisions. Like I said I would trade 14 days at home for this drawn out processes.

Definitely poor decisions in New York with leaders there telling people in February and March that they should continue to gather in public places and that essentially the virus was no big deal.
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Re: COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby Saturnalia » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:55 pm

J T wrote:
Ypsi wrote:I never gave a time line of when I would, but I believe that we are seeing the results of a slow response time and poor decisions. Like I said I would trade 14 days at home for this drawn out processes.

Definitely poor decisions in New York with leaders there telling people in February and March that they should continue to gather in public places and that essentially the virus was no big deal.

This, because leaders figured they would get positive tests when it finally arrived. In reality they're now thinking they had community spread in NYC by around Jan 15, and no later than the end of Jan. Lots of people in the hospitals with flu-like cases but not tested because well it was flu season.

Latest modelling is starting to account for the known case count being no more than 10% of the total cases, and perhaps only 0.5% of cases, since only symptomatic people are being tested, usually once they're in the hospital. So we know most of the dire cases but almost none of the others. Thus the models are ratcheting the US down to 20,000 to 200,000 deaths versus 2.2 million a week and a half ago.

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Re: COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby Trainman2223 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:50 am

video is 50 Min long..Good INFO....

COVID-19 | Corona Virus: Epidemiology, Pathophysiology, Diagnostics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWzbArPgo-o
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Re: COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby Saturnalia » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:58 pm

Here's another good resource: tracking the projected death rate, ICU and bed counts needed, for both the whole country and each state individually. Quite interesting. Run by the University of Washington.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
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Re: COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby hoborich » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:58 pm

I think it may have been here late last year, when a number of young people died and it was blamed on vaping, because Covid 19 was not yet heard of or tested for.
Also, there seems to be a wide range of response to the Covid 19, ranging from no symptoms, mild symptoms serious symptoms to death, depending on ones immune system.
Most of the fatalities are people with various pre existing issues, which may include lifelong smokers, since Covid 19 is a respiratory illness.

Earlier this evening, there were the usual drug commercials all through the dinner hour. The commercial for Taltz showed happy people jumping in swimming pools and having other fun, while the announcer rattled off a long list of cautions, including this one. "TALTZ is a medicine that affects your immune system. TALTZ may lower the ability of your immune system to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections, which can sometimes become serious. Your healthcare provider should check you for tuberculosis (TB) before you start treatment with TALTZ".
Many other drugs affect your immune system, and the cautions go unnoticed for the most part. It is just my opinion, but these powerful drugs with major side effects may be the difference whether you live or die from Covid 19.
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Re: COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby penn central » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:55 am

This kinda reminds me of Tuberculosis my grandmother who lived threw the Great Depression in the 1930s had many stories. And many sad stories of the people who died from TB back in those days before a vaccination. She passed away in 1995 at the age of 80.
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Re: COVID-19 Poll

Unread postby Saturnalia » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:33 am

penn central wrote:This kinda reminds me of Tuberculosis my grandmother who lived threw the Great Depression in the 1930s had many stories. And many sad stories of the people who died from TB back in those days before a vaccination. She passed away in 1995 at the age of 80.

I think this is a wake-up call for many who were beginning to this modern medicine was making us invincible. I'm sure we'll be keeping a much bigger medical stockpile from here on out.

I would suggest the government, rather than buying up tons of material and holding it until it expires, should pay medical manufacturers to hold a large inventory - which most don't do with just-in-time delivery and taxes on inventory. So give mask manufacturers a tax credit for holding say a year worth of production - they can warehouse it, first-in, first-out. If masks are good for say 5 years, they'll still be good for 4 when they hit the market, which is plenty for most applications. Same with most medications. This way, no product is wasted because the govt bought it, held it until it expires, and then throws it away.
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