CN puts Wisconsin-Michigan-Ontario lines up for sale

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Steve B wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:15 pm
I saw that map, just wasn't clear if Watco bought everything that was for sale or passed on anything.
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Man o' War wrote:
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LansingRailFan wrote:
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You need to fire your source. :) :wink:

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LansingRailFan wrote:
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Man o' War wrote:
Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:16 pm
LansingRailFan wrote:
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LAKE STATE WILL PICK IT UP I HAVE A SOURCE
You need to fire your source. :) :wink:

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Man o' War wrote:
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LansingRailFan wrote:
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Man o' War wrote:
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You need to fire your source. :) :wink:

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Grand Elk will purchase the Munising and White Pine subs and FOXY another Watco subsidiary purchases the rest from what I'm told. It'll be interesting but at least the paper mill in Munising will still have service.

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Just looking at the STB filing documents. The White Pines sub is interesting. The Grand Elk will acquire the line from the Wisconsin/Michigan state line to White Pines. FOXY will acquire from Marengo Jct to the Wisconsin/Michigan state line.

FOXY is a new WATCO operation called the Fox Valley & Lake Superior Rail System LLC.

All trackage is being acquired from the Wisconsin Central Ltd. of Michigan and Wisconsin.

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TomArrGP49 wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:32 pm
Just looking at the STB filing documents. The White Pines sub is interesting. The Grand Elk will acquire the line from the Wisconsin/Michigan state line to White Pines. FOXY will acquire from Marengo Jct to the Wisconsin/Michigan state line.

FOXY is a new WATCO operation called the Fox Valley & Lake Superior Rail System LLC.

All trackage is being acquired from the Wisconsin Central Ltd. of Michigan and Wisconsin.
I suppose it makes sense for the Grand Elk to be the named railroad operator in Michigan where they already have operations.
I doubt trains will interchange between FOXY and GDLK at the state line. I expect they will run through.

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Super Chief wrote:
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Grand Elk will purchase the Munising and White Pine subs and FOXY another Watco subsidiary purchases the rest from what I'm told. It'll be interesting but at least the paper mill in Munising will still have service.
Isn't the line west of Munising pulled up? Thought that line ran from Trout Lake to Munising where it terminates.
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Map from WATCO ...
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In Michigan (Grand Elk)
"the line of railroad extending between milepost 27.50 at Trout Lake, MI and milepost 117.0 at Munising Jct., MI and between milepost 5.88 at Munising Jct. to milepost 0.0 at Munising, MI; and"
"the line of railroad extending between milepost 302.36 at the Michigan/Wisconsin border and milepost 254.6 at White Pine, MI."
(The second segment being out of service.)

Michigan employment:
Conductor: 1 position located in Newberry, MI.
Engineer: 1 position located in Newberry, MI.

All other employment are based out of Wisconsin - General Manager in Wausau, WI, Trainmasters in Appleton, WI, Wausau, WI, and Green Bay, WI. Roadmasters in Appleton, WI, and Wausau, WI. Conductors: 5 in Bradley, WI, 3 in Appleton, WI, 2 in Green Bay, WI, 1 in Wausau, WI. Engineers: 5 in Bradley, WI, 3 in Appleton, WI, 3 in Green Bay, WI, 1 in Wausau, WI. Two mechanics each in Appleton, WI, and Wausau, WI, with a chief mechanical officer in Appleton, WI. Twelve other positions based out of Appleton and Wausau.

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The question i have is what is the Algoma Central trackage going to be called is it reverting back to The Algoma Central Railroad?

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penn central wrote:
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The question i have is what is the Algoma Central trackage going to be called is it reverting back to The Algoma Central Railroad?
Apparently so.

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Crow T Robot wrote:
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Super Chief wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:49 pm
Grand Elk will purchase the Munising and White Pine subs and FOXY another Watco subsidiary purchases the rest from what I'm told. It'll be interesting but at least the paper mill in Munising will still have service.
Isn't the line west of Munising pulled up? Thought that line ran from Trout Lake to Munising where it terminates.
Trout Lake to Munising Jct., then up to Munising. Munising Jct. to Marquette is gone.

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Current Munising Line CN operations are based out of Newberry, right? One day round trip to Trout Lake, the next round trip to Munising, etc.? I suppose the small yard in Trout Lake is set up well enough for good interchange with another operator on the branch.

CN then will only access Soo, Ontario via the bridge from the US?

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GP30M4216 wrote:
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Current Munising Line CN operations are based out of Newberry, right? One day round trip to Trout Lake, the next round trip to Munising, etc.? I suppose the small yard in Trout Lake is set up well enough for good interchange with another operator on the branch.

CN then will only access Soo, Ontario via the bridge from the US?
It is a four day rotation: Newberry to a Munising. Munising to Newberry. Newberry to Trout Lake and return. Day off. Repeat.
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Watco is hoping to begin service on affected UP-Wisconsin lines on June 30. But Wisconsin shipping groups are trying to put the brakes on the deal:

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Interesting to me that CN is keeping the line up to Baraga, but will sell the line to Munising

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markkeaton wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:27 pm
Interesting to me that CN is keeping the line up to Baraga, but will sell the line to Munising
CN has fairly close ties (no pun intended) to the place up there that burns ties for electric generation. I believe they send most if not all of their ties removed in the US to them, if not some from Canada too.
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Interesting, thanks. Long term contract rate maybe?

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