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Detroit River Tunnel Trains

Unread postPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 6:24 pm
by GP30M4216
Does anyone have a current list of the trains which traverse the former Michigan Central Detroit River Tunnel? I know freight trains don’t run on schedule but do any of them tend to run at a “regular” time of day? When a Canada-bound train is waiting at the signal behind the MC depot, does that typically mean they are holding for a US-bound train to exit the portal first? It’s been a while since I’ve been to this territory. Thanks!

Re: Detroit River Tunnel Trains

Unread postPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 8:48 pm
by trainjunkie47
Once you can travel to Canada again, standing on the College Avenue bridge near the Windsor portal is a great way to get a visit from either of CP Rail Police, Canadian Customs, or the Windsor Police. It's been forever since I've been to either end of that tunnel.

Re: Detroit River Tunnel Trains

Unread postPosted: Thu May 14, 2020 11:24 pm
by Ypsi
With covid-19 I think it’s 4-6 daily? AFAIK CP it running a manifest each way and then the T40/41 transfer daily. The other CP trains have basically gone to as needed as I can tell. The westbound CP (can’t remember which symbol they kept) is due into Windsor early in the AM as of late I believe.

I have not caught a meet at the tunnel, but I have caught trains held for the signal. Just depends on what’s going on in Windsor. Assumably they could go on “yard hold” at this spot, or need a lineup somewhere else.

Re: Detroit River Tunnel Trains

Unread postPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 7:43 pm
by blueheron13
Here are the current trains I know of:
- Transfer to CSX at Rougemere (T21) and return trip to Windsor (T20). Has been arriving at Rougemere in the early overnight hours lately.
- Transfer to NS to at Oakwood (usually T27, sometimes has a T41 symbol) and return trip to Windsor (T28 or T40). Usually works Oakwood in the late morning.
- Transfer to CP Oak Yard at I-96/M-39 (CP 235) and return trip to Windsor (CP 234). CSX dispatch calls these trains Z509 and Z508 while on the CSX Detroit Sub. Usually works CP Oak sometime between mid afternoon and early evening.
- CP 141 WB and CP 140 EB. Used to go through Oakwood in the middle of the day, but now are on different schedules and often go through Southeast Michigan in the dark.

The above used to run every day (or nearly every day), but now run a little less frequently I believe (due to the economy).

Former regular trains such as CP 147 WB and CP 244 EB have disappeared with the auto industry. Hopefully they'll come back soon. I don't recall hearing the odd CP 240 or CP 241 in a long time, either.

There is still an occasional CP 650 EB or CP 651 WB (ethanol trains) that wanders through.

Re: Detroit River Tunnel Trains

Unread postPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 7:51 pm
by GP30M4216
Thank you, I really appreciate this. I was never planning to go to the tunnel portal (either one) itself, more thinking of trying some new photo opts either with the MC Depot, at West Detroit from Federal Street, along John Kronk Road, etc. It's just helpful to know what to expect a bit, and what might happen if I catch an eastbound waiting behind MC. Some time ago - maybe 10 years or more - CN ran one transfer run from Van de Water through to somewhere on the Detroit side - Flat Rock maybe? Or maybe Pontiac? I'm assuming this trip doesn't run anymore and all CN traffic goes via Sarnia now.

Appreciate it! :)

Re: Detroit River Tunnel Trains

Unread postPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 7:58 pm
by blueheron13
No CN: Only CP trains through the tunnel!

Re: Detroit River Tunnel Trains

Unread postPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 10:23 pm
by NS3322
trainjunkie47 wrote:Once you can travel to Canada again, standing on the College Avenue bridge near the Windsor portal is a great way to get a visit from either of CP Rail Police, Canadian Customs, or the Windsor Police. It's been forever since I've been to either end of that tunnel.


I have never had an issue on the Canadian side. In fact when the CP Holiday Train left Windsor (Nov. 2019) there was a whole group of us on the bridge and no law enforcement officials ever approached us (or even drove by).
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The US side is a different story. Not recommended.

Re: Detroit River Tunnel Trains

Unread postPosted: Fri May 15, 2020 10:41 pm
by JoJames
So CSX doesn’t run a transfer to Windsor anymore?

Re: Detroit River Tunnel Trains

Unread postPosted: Sat May 16, 2020 12:48 pm
by Steve B
I didn't have any problems standing on the Bagley St. bridge sidewalk a few months ago. There are a couple fence gaps where you might be able to fit in a long lens.

Re: Detroit River Tunnel Trains

Unread postPosted: Sun May 17, 2020 8:50 pm
by ConrailDetr​oit
JoJames wrote:So CSX doesn’t run a transfer to Windsor anymore?


D718 has been gone for years.

T-21/T-21 handle the CP Windsor to CSX Rougemere Interchange at night.