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Graphic Packaging White Piegon

Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:34 pm
by Super Chief
It was announced today Graphic Pkg. WP would be closing its doors June 30. This has been in the works when they announced building their new plant in Kalamazoo. They said there was 2 years to go for the employees but with the discovery of PFAS compounds on the grounds and in the watershed around the plant last week that was the final nail in the coffin. GDLK and Pioneer did them a good job and its too bad.

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:19 am
by AARR
Super Chief, how much business did they generate for MSO?

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:15 am
by Super Chief
A few kaolin (Theil) cars a month. Not sure how much product went out by rail? Maybe 1trackmind could fill us in on that? In two years the new Kalamazoo plant was to replace this mill plus Battle Creek, Middletown Oh, East Angus Canada and the current Kazoo plant. What they call capacity neutral. Total would be 600,000 tons/year of recycled cardboard. This mill was currently 70,000 tons/year of that.

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:12 am
by AARR
Thank you Super Chief. I don't think anything other than the kaolin used rail service.
Super Chief wrote:A few kaolin (Theil) cars a month. Not sure how much product went out by rail? Maybe 1trackmind could fill us in on that? In two years the new Kalamazoo plant was to replace this mill plus Battle Creek, Middletown Oh, East Angus Canada and the current Kazoo plant. What they call capacity neutral. Total would be 600,000 tons/year of recycled cardboard. This mill was currently 70,000 tons/year of that.

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:31 am
by Super Chief
There's going to be a bigger hit for the local trucking companies that ship and store this product. P&P, CMS and some mom and pop local drivers had a lot of outbound loads as the trailers sitting outside attested to.

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:29 am
by AARR
The good thing about trucks is they can drive to other cities and pick up loads there too :mrgreen:
Super Chief wrote:There's going to be a bigger hit for the local trucking companies that ship and store this product.

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:53 pm
by 1TrackMind
Super Chief wrote:There's going to be a bigger hit for the local trucking companies that ship and store this product. P&P, CMS and some mom and pop local drivers had a lot of outbound loads as the trailers sitting outside attested to.

Most likely LC Howard will be going gang busters once the new plant is done. So hopefully if need be some displaced truck drivers could find work with them.

As for out bound traffic I never saw any product go out by rail.

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:45 pm
by AARR
Seems like one of the LC Howards always has a bunch of box cars on its spurs. They have several other local warehouses with spurs too.
1TrackMind wrote:
Super Chief wrote:There's going to be a bigger hit for the local trucking companies that ship and store this product. P&P, CMS and some mom and pop local drivers had a lot of outbound loads as the trailers sitting outside attested to.

Most likely LC Howard will be going gang busters once the new plant is done. So hopefully if need be some displaced truck drivers could find work with them.

As for out bound traffic I never saw any product go out by rail.

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Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:17 pm
by GP30M4216
That's too bad about White Pigeon Paper/Graphics Pkging closing up shop early. They were always a reliable customer for Michigan Southern in all of its various iterations. The problem with a paper plant is that it can't really be repurposed for any other use, so no chance of another potential customer moving in.

The new Graphic Packaging plant in Kalamazoo, is it being built on the existing site north of BO near the old Checker Motors plant>? Or is it being built somewhere else?

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Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:27 pm
by NS3322
GP30M4216 wrote:That's too bad about White Pigeon Paper/Graphics Pkging closing up shop early. They were always a reliable customer for Michigan Southern in all of its various iterations. The problem with a paper plant is that it can't really be repurposed for any other use, so no chance of another potential customer moving in.

The new Graphic Packaging plant in Kalamazoo, is it being built on the existing site north of BO near the old Checker Motors plant>? Or is it being built somewhere else?


The new plant is being built on the old Checker Motors site.

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Unread postPosted: Tue May 05, 2020 10:36 pm
by MQT1223
GP30M4216 wrote:That's too bad about White Pigeon Paper/Graphics Pkging closing up shop early. They were always a reliable customer for Michigan Southern in all of its various iterations. The problem with a paper plant is that it can't really be repurposed for any other use, so no chance of another potential customer moving in.

The new Graphic Packaging plant in Kalamazoo, is it being built on the existing site north of BO near the old Checker Motors plant>? Or is it being built somewhere else?


Reliable how? It sounds like as of late they were only switching them out maybe once a week or every other week.

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Unread postPosted: Thu May 07, 2020 10:15 pm
by GP30M4216
Reliable how? It sounds like as of late they were only switching them out maybe once a week or every other week.


They would usually have cars spotted on their spur. Even if not switched every day, I would call that reliable.

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Unread postPosted: Sat May 09, 2020 9:31 am
by Ben Higdon
1TrackMind wrote:
Super Chief wrote:There's going to be a bigger hit for the local trucking companies that ship and store this product. P&P, CMS and some mom and pop local drivers had a lot of outbound loads as the trailers sitting outside attested to.

Most likely LC Howard will be going gang busters once the new plant is done. So hopefully if need be some displaced truck drivers could find work with them.

As for out bound traffic I never saw any product go out by rail.

Would be great if LC Howard took over the former Green Bay Packaging site for this business-kitty corner across Mosel/Pitcher from Graphic Packaging