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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby Ben Higdon » Wed May 22, 2019 8:45 am

Kalamazoo Branch questions -
Are Solvay and Allnex the same company? Google shows both at the same location (former Cytec/American Cyanimid site)
As far as I know, Evergreen Packaging on Miller Rd (former International Paper) is still an active customer
What is LC Howard Kilgore? Do they share the Green Bay Packaging warehouse? Their location on Factory St is an active shipper but is nowhere near Kilgore.
Not familiar with Kaiser Aluminum, but I used to occasionally see a bulkhead flat of aluminum rods delivered to LC Howard at Factory St, so maybe that's where they receive(d) shipments.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby AARR » Wed May 22, 2019 11:31 am

Fabrical or something like that is in the former IP plant. They receive plastic pellets.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby blueheron13 » Wed May 22, 2019 7:29 pm

In Monroe, on the spur off the lead to the DTE plant, is this location served by CN? It is on the same track that serves the paving company I think.

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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby AARR » Wed May 22, 2019 7:39 pm

The track with the cars on it is CN's. The other one is NS. It's my understanding both RR's can service the customers on this line.
blueheron13 wrote:In Monroe, on the spur off the lead to the DTE plant, is this location served by CN? It is on the same track that serves the paving company I think.

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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby 1TrackMind » Thu May 23, 2019 5:29 pm

Ben Higdon wrote:Kalamazoo Branch questions -
Are Solvay and Allnex the same company? Google shows both at the same location (former Cytec/American Cyanimid site)
As far as I know, Evergreen Packaging on Miller Rd (former International Paper) is still an active customer
What is LC Howard Kilgore? Do they share the Green Bay Packaging warehouse? Their location on Factory St is an active shipper but is nowhere near Kilgore.
Not familiar with Kaiser Aluminum, but I used to occasionally see a bulkhead flat of aluminum rods delivered to LC Howard at Factory St, so maybe that's where they receive(d) shipments.


I believe allnex/solvay are the same. Evergreen is a GDLK only customer now. LC Howard Kilgore is the spur track near the wye pointing north near E N ave.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby NSSD70ACe » Fri May 24, 2019 11:09 am

Slightly off topic but I may have found some changes with the Kalamazoo Branch, operationally. I just drove by Kilgore Yard and the crossing bungalows now clearly say “CN - N AVE - SOUTH BEND” and I think the milepost number.

Does this mean that CN now considers the Kalamazoo Branch as part of the SBS or was it always like that?
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby SD80MAC » Fri May 24, 2019 11:24 am

I would assume it's been that way. Other than main track branches and spurs are generally considered part of whatever subdivision they branch off of.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby NSSD70ACe » Fri May 24, 2019 11:45 am

SD80MAC wrote:I would assume it's been that way. Other than main track branches and spurs are generally considered part of whatever subdivision they branch off of.


Thanks for the info.

On my way out I saw some new foundations too. The way they’re placed and the electrical cords emanating from them appear to indicate new crossings at N Ave.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby Ben Higdon » Sun May 26, 2019 11:06 am

AARR wrote:Fabrical or something like that is in the former IP plant. They receive plastic pellets.
Ben Higdon wrote:Kalamazoo Branch questions -As far as I know, Evergreen Packaging on Miller Rd (former International Paper) is still an active customer

Fabri Kal is the former Mead location on the CN on the south side of 94. Evergreen is on the Upjohn Industrial at Miller Rd
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby kckorienek » Sun May 26, 2019 4:48 pm

Corrections to the Flint Sub:

Potterville: Citizens does not take hoppers, they transload chemicals and fertilizer from tanks
Potterville: Alro Steel does not do rail service, siding intact
Lansing: Douglas Steel does not do rail shipment, siding intact but spiked OOS
Flint: GM CCA is a 5 day a week switch, 3-5 cars a day
Flint: Michigan Truss is an active recipient of centerbeams
Flint: Lake State is interchanging with CN, they access the mainline at CP Belsay and run into South Yard in Flint
Flint: Star of the West at Belsay Rd. is not in use for any shipping, siding used for storing MOW equipment when necessary.
Imlay City: Elevator does not do rail service, siding somewhat intact
Imlay City: Champion siding was removed a few years ago and does not do rail service
Emmett: Star of the West is not an active shipper, siding is intact
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby Steve B » Mon May 27, 2019 3:49 pm

kckorienek wrote:Lake State is interchanging with CN, they access the mainline at CP Belsay and run into South Yard in Flint


You mean LSRC is running on the CN over to Bristol Rd?
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby kckorienek » Tue May 28, 2019 4:22 pm

Steve B wrote:
kckorienek wrote:Lake State is interchanging with CN, they access the mainline at CP Belsay and run into South Yard in Flint


You mean LSRC is running on the CN over to Bristol Rd?


Yeah, not all the way to Bristol Rd., they do all the work on the east end of South Yard out by the I-69/I-75 interchange.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby Steve B » Tue May 28, 2019 7:24 pm

Interesting. Is that because CN doesn't want to bother with making a run over to the Longway interchange tracks? Let the LSRC do the work, so to speak. What kind of freight do they interchange?
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby NS3322 » Tue May 28, 2019 8:09 pm

kckorienek wrote:Corrections to the Flint Sub:

Potterville: Citizens does not take hoppers, they transload chemicals and fertilizer from tanks
Potterville: Alro Steel does not do rail service, siding intact
Lansing: Douglas Steel does not do rail shipment, siding intact but spiked OOS
Flint: GM CCA is a 5 day a week switch, 3-5 cars a day
Flint: Michigan Truss is an active recipient of centerbeams
Flint: Lake State is interchanging with CN, they access the mainline at CP Belsay and run into South Yard in Flint
Flint: Star of the West at Belsay Rd. is not in use for any shipping, siding used for storing MOW equipment when necessary.
Imlay City: Elevator does not do rail service, siding somewhat intact
Imlay City: Champion siding was removed a few years ago and does not do rail service
Emmett: Star of the West is not an active shipper, siding is intact


Corrected. Thank you for the info!

I drove through Potterville the other day, and I was wondering what the tank cars at Citizens were for. Question answered.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby kckorienek » Wed May 29, 2019 9:03 am

Steve B wrote:Interesting. Is that because CN doesn't want to bother with making a run over to the Longway interchange tracks? Let the LSRC do the work, so to speak. What kind of freight do they interchange?


The interchange track at Averill and RT Longway is disconnected on the LSRC side and the track is in terrible condition all around, the crossing circuits on that track are to be removed this summer at Averill. Just easier to make LSRC do all the work. Scrap gons and some tanks are being interchanged.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby Ben Higdon » Wed May 29, 2019 9:39 am

1TrackMind wrote:
Ben Higdon wrote:Kalamazoo Branch questions -
Are Solvay and Allnex the same company? Google shows both at the same location (former Cytec/American Cyanimid site)
As far as I know, Evergreen Packaging on Miller Rd (former International Paper) is still an active customer
What is LC Howard Kilgore? Do they share the Green Bay Packaging warehouse? Their location on Factory St is an active shipper but is nowhere near Kilgore.
Not familiar with Kaiser Aluminum, but I used to occasionally see a bulkhead flat of aluminum rods delivered to LC Howard at Factory St, so maybe that's where they receive(d) shipments.


I believe allnex/solvay are the same. Evergreen is a GDLK only customer now. LC Howard Kilgore is the spur track near the wye pointing north near E N ave.


So the same spur as Green Bay Packaging? Or did GBP vacate the building and now LC Howard uses it?
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby DaveO » Wed May 29, 2019 9:42 am

Regarding Lake State running over CN in Flint.
There are no decisions or filings with the Surface Transportation Board about LSRC having rights over CN at Flint.
Track rights are under the jurisdiction of the STB.
It they're doing it, they don't seem to be doing it correctly.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby Steve B » Wed May 29, 2019 10:31 am

kckorienek wrote:
The interchange track at Averill and RT Longway is disconnected on the LSRC side and the track is in terrible condition all around, the crossing circuits on that track are to be removed this summer at Averill.


I was referring to the other interchange tracks, between Averill and Center. Those were the ones most recently used. Indeed, the one crossing Averill has had for years a red sign marking it as out of service.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby NS3322 » Wed May 29, 2019 1:18 pm

Ben Higdon wrote:
1TrackMind wrote:
Ben Higdon wrote:Kalamazoo Branch questions -
Are Solvay and Allnex the same company? Google shows both at the same location (former Cytec/American Cyanimid site)
As far as I know, Evergreen Packaging on Miller Rd (former International Paper) is still an active customer
What is LC Howard Kilgore? Do they share the Green Bay Packaging warehouse? Their location on Factory St is an active shipper but is nowhere near Kilgore.
Not familiar with Kaiser Aluminum, but I used to occasionally see a bulkhead flat of aluminum rods delivered to LC Howard at Factory St, so maybe that's where they receive(d) shipments.


I believe allnex/solvay are the same. Evergreen is a GDLK only customer now. LC Howard Kilgore is the spur track near the wye pointing north near E N ave.


So the same spur as Green Bay Packaging? Or did GBP vacate the building and now LC Howard uses it?


LC is on the old lumber yard spur.
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Re: CN Michigan Customers

Unread postby chapmaja » Wed May 29, 2019 2:11 pm

DaveO wrote:Regarding Lake State running over CN in Flint.
There are no decisions or filings with the Surface Transportation Board about LSRC having rights over CN at Flint.
Track rights are under the jurisdiction of the STB.
It they're doing it, they don't seem to be doing it correctly.


Could this have been something hidden in the LSRC filings to take over the Plymouth to Flint section. Could CSX have had access to, but not used these rights. When LSRC tool over they are now accessing these rights?
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