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Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby kd_1014 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:23 pm

Does anyone have a list of all of the Amtrak P42s that are equipped with ITCS?
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby NS3322 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:35 pm

kd_1014 wrote:Does anyone have a list of all of the Amtrak P42s that are equipped with ITCS?


From "The Diesel Shop":

Locos #26-38 and #126 and #127 have ITCS equipment.

(#128 was equipped with ITCS, but was wrecked in Leoni, Michigan in 2012).
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby Buster Manning » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:30 am

The Illinoise ITCS units were were numbered in the 50's and 60s'IIRC_---which Michigan will supposedly get at some point(if the mech. dept. can get some of the regular pool service P42s back in service and then these get released for Mich service)...maybe even before the illustrious Chargers show up :roll: :roll:
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby NSSD70ACe » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:48 am

Buster Manning wrote:The Illinoise ITCS units were were numbered in the 50's and 60s'IIRC_---which Michigan will supposedly get at some point(if the mech. dept. can get some of the regular pool service P42s back in service and then these get released for Mich service)...maybe even before the illustrious Chargers show up :roll: :roll:


Speaking of the Chargers, I’ve got it on decent authority that they are going to begin testing within the month in Michigan and will likely be in service by the summer.
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby NS3322 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:09 am

NSSD70ACe wrote:
Buster Manning wrote:The Illinoise ITCS units were were numbered in the 50's and 60s'IIRC_---which Michigan will supposedly get at some point(if the mech. dept. can get some of the regular pool service P42s back in service and then these get released for Mich service)...maybe even before the illustrious Chargers show up :roll: :roll:


Speaking of the Chargers, I’ve got it on decent authority that they are going to begin testing within the month in Michigan and will likely be in service by the summer.


I will believe it when I see it. I keep hearing this every few months or so.
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby Buster Manning » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:10 am

"Decent authority" really doesn't mean much on a rayrhode on which the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing....besides, if they are having issues with the ITCS/PTC with a hi-rail truck, what are the odds that it will work with an locomotive/test train either??
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby PerRock » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:05 pm

The latest AASHTO High Speed Rail meeting notes state that:
• 5 MI units will be moving from Pueblo to Chicago in the next few weeks.*

• The Michigan corridor requires ITCS version of PTC and all others require I-ETMS. The new locomotives have both systems on-board and the testing needs to include both.
• I-ETMS commissioned on all locos in Chicago
• Twelve Chargers ready for ITCS commissioning, pending software updates
• For the new locomotives, the implementation of the PTC tests have been scheduled secondary to Amtrak’s current fleet.

• Michigan Line 110 mph operations to begin in Spring 2019

You can read the pdf these quotes are from here: http://www.highspeed-rail.org/Documents ... Update.pdf

* This meeting was held on 2/22/19. Presumably they should be moving to Chicago within days, if they're not already there.

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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby NSSD70ACe » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:14 pm

NS3322 wrote:
NSSD70ACe wrote:
Buster Manning wrote:The Illinoise ITCS units were were numbered in the 50's and 60s'IIRC_---which Michigan will supposedly get at some point(if the mech. dept. can get some of the regular pool service P42s back in service and then these get released for Mich service)...maybe even before the illustrious Chargers show up :roll: :roll:


Speaking of the Chargers, I’ve got it on decent authority that they are going to begin testing within the month in Michigan and will likely be in service by the summer.


I will believe it when I see it. I keep hearing this every few months or so.


Buster Manning wrote:"Decent authority" really doesn't mean much on a rayrhode on which the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing....besides, if they are having issues with the ITCS/PTC with a hi-rail truck, what are the odds that it will work with an locomotive/test train either??


Peter hit it right on the head. There were a string of Chargers on the power tracks in Chicago on Friday (3/15) but I couldn’t tell if they were already in service on the Illinois trains or if they’d just arrived. But get your P42 shots while you can.
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby DaveO » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:39 pm

Are 518 and 519 still ITCS equipped?
Anyone know why the following order was issued 2 years ago?
It followed them being used on ITCS test trains.

"Unless otherwise restricted, ITCS equipped P32-BWH locomotives in the lead position
of a train consist must not exceed 79 MPH between MP 240.5 and MP 143.16."
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby NSSD70ACe » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:00 pm

DaveO wrote:Are 518 and 519 still ITCS equipped?
Anyone know why the following order was issued 2 years ago?
It followed them being used on ITCS test trains.

"Unless otherwise restricted, ITCS equipped P32-BWH locomotives in the lead position
of a train consist must not exceed 79 MPH between MP 240.5 and MP 143.16."


I believe they are as a pair of BWH's ran a rail train up here a few months ago.

As for the restriction, I couldn't tell you. All I can say is that those mileposts encompass the entirety of the 110 MPH section between Porter and Kalamazoo (roughly Willard Street up here). Wikipedia shows the top speed for the BWH is 103 MPH.
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby MQT1223 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:10 pm

Are the B32-8WH's also equipped with the ITCS in order to run MOW trains on the Michigan Line as well?
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby PerRock » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:19 pm

There are two or 3 that are.

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Edit: 518 & 519, there may be another.
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby NS3322 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:47 pm

NSSD70ACe wrote:I believe they are as a pair of BWH's ran a rail train up here a few months ago.


I have photographic evidence:
(This was taken in Battle Creek back in November 2018).
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby kd_1014 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:43 am

NS3322 wrote:
NSSD70ACe wrote:I believe they are as a pair of BWH's ran a rail train up here a few months ago.


I have photographic evidence:
(This was taken in Battle Creek back in November 2018).
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I'm guessing that was the CWR train with the boxcar?
The CWR train was parked in the GDLK Kalamazoo Gearhart Yard for a while a few months ago.
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Re: Amtrak ITCS P42's

Unread postby NS3322 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:13 am

kd_1014 wrote:
NS3322 wrote:
NSSD70ACe wrote:I believe they are as a pair of BWH's ran a rail train up here a few months ago.


I have photographic evidence:
(This was taken in Battle Creek back in November 2018).


I'm guessing that was the CWR train with the boxcar?
The CWR train was parked in the GDLK Kalamazoo Gearhart Yard for a while a few months ago.


I believe you are correct. The boxcars had NS reporting marks.
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