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hoborich
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Re: QLine

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Sorry if I seem to be down on Detroit, but being born and raised in Detroit, and probably the last white person out of Detroit, after selling my house of 47 years for half what I paid for it in 1966, I've seen one expensive scheme after another to save Detroit, which ignores the fact that the people who destroyed Detroit are still there! Aside from a small section of the Woodward corridor, and the riverfront, and the Dequindre cut, Detroit is still one of the most dangerous cities in the country. And you can find yourself in big trouble in a hurry!
I moved to Northern Michigan in 2013. Last August I went back down to Detroit to the VA hospital for my annual checkup. After leaving the hospital, I went out to lunch at the El Rancho restaurant on Vernor and Dragoon. It's a nice little neighborhood restaurant I've been to many times. I considered the area safe, at least in the daytime. I parked in a fenced lot behind the restaurant at 2:30 in the afternoon. Right across the street is a large mexican market/Mercado, with people everywhere. After eating lunch, I came out of the restaurant, and stared in disbelief at the empty parking space where I had parked my van! I'm not a big phone person, so I had left my phone in the van. I went back in the restaurant in shock. The manager called 911 and handed me the phone. The 911 operator told me I had to come into the precinct and make a report. I told her I was 200 miles from home, with no transportation and no phone and no way to get to the precinct or even call a cab. She said the protocol was that I had to come into the station and make a report...and then she hung up on me! Luck was on my side. Just then a cop walked into the restaurant to see the owner about some other business. I told him what happened, and he immediately called in the vehicle description, and I heard the dispatcher repeat it out over the radio. Then he drove me down to the fourth precinct on Fort street. I had to wait behind four other people making reports. Finally the desk officer called me up to the desk to make my report. After playing 20 questions, he finished taking the report and said I could go. I said, "Go where. I'm 200 miles from home with no wheels". He turned me over to a nice black lady at a nearby desk. She was some kind of community service person. She asked me if there was anyone I could call. I told her I had a brother in the Brighton/Hartland area, but I didn't know his number. All my phone numbers were in my phone, like most people these days. She Googled his name and address and got his number. My brother is old fashioned, and still has a landline phone, and by the grace of god he answered it, with the caller ID showing an unknown number. He got down there to get me in about an hour and a half. We were just backing out of the parking lot, when the black lady came running out, and said they had found my van. We went back inside. The desk officer was on the phone and said they found my van on East Willis and Elmwood, with the ignition and the door lock punched. They said the wheels were on it and it might be drivable, and it was being towed to Executive Towing on east Hildale. He called the impound yard and handed the phone to me. It was now 5:45, and the guy said I would have to get it the next day, because they were getting ready to close. Spent the night at my brothers, and he drove me back deep into the bowels of Detroit the next morning to pickup my van. They wanted $230 cash, no checks or charges to release it. I paid and we went out into the yard to get the van. We were able to start it with a screwdriver, but the brake pedal went almost to the floor and there was no fluid in the reservoir. It appears the tow truck driver just put a tow hook on the frame rail and crushed the brakeline. I drove it out of there carefully and stopped at the first auto parts store on East Davison and got some brake fluid, which dripped out soon. Anyway, I managed to drive back up north carefully with little or no brakes. They had taken my Honda scooter along with the 2 by 12 plank I used to load it. They also took my mountain bike, camera, GPS and many tools. The cop said they didn't want my van, just what was in it. I did not want to drive down to Detroit just for a doctor visit, so I had planned a road trip down to Wyandotte and then west to Lake Michigan area, so I had a lot of stuff in the van. The damage was over $3000 for a door panel, and a complete steering column. When they punched out the ignition, they broke the housing that it fit into, so they couldn't just replace the ignition switch. Sorry about the long sad story. But most people have no idea how quickly things can go south in Detroit. Aside from a few pockets of development, it is basically a third world country. I was a firefighter during the 1967 riots. I was streetwise. I went anywhere I wanted to in Detroit, and never worried about it. I knew every street and alley in the city. But it still happened, in the middle of the afternoon, in a populated area, with streets full of people! And that area of Hildale, Mt Elliot, East Davison looks like a war zone. No people, burned out houses, streets strewn with broken glass, and totally deserted. :shock:

And just to rub salt into the wound, when I looked at the towing receipt, there was a $75 admin fee to the City of Detroit! The city collects $75 on every stolen, or accident vehicle that gets towed! The more crime, the more money the city makes! :twisted: :twisted:
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ConrailDetr​oit
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Re: QLine

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Sorry to hear. :cry: Glad it wasnt worse and you retrieved most of your property. Did your insurance reimburse for any of those towing fees?
"Last white person out of Detroit"
Since 2010, the white population of Detroit has been on the rise in Detroit for the first time since the 1940s.
"He turned me over to a nice black lady at a nearby desk"

"when the black lady came running out, and said they had found my van."
Is the color of the lady's skin or her race a necessary adjective to include in the narrative?

GTW6401
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Re: QLine

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Detroit cops haven't taken reports for years; I had something similar happen to me back in 2003.

Got my car window smashed out during a Tigers game. I drove up to the precinct and was told to call in the morning to file a report.

hoborich
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Re: QLine

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Insurance reimbursed me the towing fees on my comprehensive coverage, since they resulted from the theft. They put the stolen contents on my homeowners coverage, after depreciating them. But they didn't cover the 2009 Honda Ruckus scooter, which was inside the locked van, claiming it was a "land based motor vehicle' and wasn't covered by my homeowners insurance.
The main point of my post was that with the exception of some small areas of development, Detroit is still a third world country if something happens there. I also noticed driving around Detroit, that many people simply don't stop for red lights, or even tap the brakes. They just roll on through. And you never see any cops! So the media portrays a false sense of security, to lure people downtown. And often when an auto accident occurs, bystanders rush over and grab purses and wallets before EMS and cops arrive.
This happened in Greektown a week ago. Most people think Greektown is safe, because it's downtown. Where were the police. Is the Qline going to solve this problem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac-BTPKfO98
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Re: QLine

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1HU-rkcS0

This is the news report of the 8 suspects being arraigned a few days later for starting the brawl. The news reports the suspects are from Inkster and were celebrating the victim's birthday at the casino and then things went out of hand. The Q Line will do nothing but move people down Woodward and portray improvement of Detroit in a biased way.
So the media portrays a false sense of security, to lure people downtown.
How so?

It seems as the media does the exact opposite as it did in this case. Originally, the news said nothing more than the angry mob attacked 2 people in Greektown. They never said why they did, or how it started, or if the two individuals knew the attackers. People watch news reports such as this and then become too afraid of going anywhere in Detroit without knowing details as to why the attack happened and then make incorrect assumptions out of fear. People had to wait a few days later to hear the details of the incident.

I have dealt with an aggressive bum in Greektown one afternoon about a year ago. Demanded food leftovers I was carrying and threatened to start a fight if not. He was clearly not in the right mind. Either being mentally ill or on some type of drug or both. Had I stuck around and let things escalate to a fight, the media would have reported a street fight in Greektown over leftover food. They would not have reported on the mental state of the bum. They should but wouldnt have also addressed the root issue of harder access to mental health and drug rehab service to those on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum. After driving by a few minutes later there was a DPD car or two parked on Beaubien where I reported the incident. I always see a police car parked on Beaubien right under the Greektown People Mover stop, a block away from the brawl a few weeks ago. The incident has not stopped me from returning to Greektown, too many excellent eating places. :D :wink:
"He turned me over to a nice black lady at a nearby desk"

"when the black lady came running out, and said they had found my van."
Is the color of the lady's skin or her race a necessary adjective to include in the narrative?

hoborich
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Re: QLine

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Does it really matter if the brawlers were from Inkster, if you and your wife or date were caught up in it after exiting a Greektown restaurant. Greektown is a draw for tourists and other customers. Why aren't there cops standing around keeping order. A cop car parked a couple blocks away isn't much help if one of the brawlers grabbed your wallet and ran. Or worse, shot you and disappeared. Detroit officials are not pro active on crime. They just react to it after it happens.
And unless the police department assigns a couple officers to ride the Qline full time, within a few months, it will be covered with grafitti, inside and out, and the whole back end of the car will smell like urine! They have already had grafitti problems, before it was even operational. http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index ... lized.html
Whatever happened to that other trolley to nowhere, that ran along Washington Blvd and across Hart Plaza to the RenCen, that they featured in all the tourists brochures?
Oh, here it is. http://www.railwaypreservation.com/vint ... etroit.htm

Is the color of the lady's skin or her race a necessary adjective to include in the narrative?
Sure. If I hadn't said it was a black lady, you would not have known I was helped by a nice black lady. :lol:
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ConrailDetr​oit
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Re: QLine

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Those brawlers were specifically attacking two people who they knew and were with based on something that happened at the casino. Somehow, some bystander was able to film for us to see without being attacked. While it would be very unruly and scary to walk out of a restaurant and see something like that, it wasnt a random act of violence and I would have called DPD right away and hopefully they would have responded in Greektown right away. Do we know if anyone called? The attackers and victims knew eachother and for some foolish reason had to start a brawl in the street to resolve their conflict. Cant remember if I have seen police on foot in Greektown but foot patrol would be beneficial in Greektown with lots of people walking. They tend to sit on Beaubien under the People Mover in their cars. Foot patrol is only used when the amount of people per unit of space is high enough to justify foot patrol. (festivals, fairs, fireworks.) When there are less people in any given area, police placement is more efficient while in a car so they can respond quicker to something further away. We dont know the time of night that the brawl happened, but with less people being out a night, police would rather be in their car to be able to cover a larger area. Most officials do not seem very pro active at solving social problems that exists on a local and national level, compared to other cities and countries.

The other, almost forgotten Trolley was cut due to dwindling ridership. I am curious to see if the Q Line will truly become the way you describe it. It will mostly serve a more wealthy, pro active population of the city, in the most thriving area of the city. Also, being privately owned may be a factor if anyone lets the cars become run down.

A person who was a stranger helped retrieve your posessions which was very nice of them to do regardless of their race (or gender). In writing, we say he and she when referring to someone for the sake of how writing is structured. Not that any race is being portrayed in a negative way, why do you feel we should know the race of the stranger that helped you?

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Re: QLine

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why do you feel we should know the race of the stranger that helped you?
I like to give credit where credit is due, and to the right people. :lol:
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ConrailDetr​oit
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Re: QLine

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Kind of like affirmative action?

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