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CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby NS3322 » Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:41 pm

What is the current status of this line?
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby SW » Wed Feb 24, 2016 8:56 pm

There was a short thread on this in Nov. 2014. Haven't seen anything anywhere since then...
http://railroadfan.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=30777
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby NS3322 » Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:42 pm

Is the SW1 still in White Pine? If not, what is its current location?
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby blackjack1518 » Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:18 am

NS3322 wrote:Is the SW1 still in White Pine? If not, what is its current location?



The WP sub is still inactive. As for the Refinery switcher, it was either moved at the end before refinery closed or is stored in the engine house at White Pine.
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby NS3322 » Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:00 pm

blackjack1518 wrote:As for the Refinery switcher, it was either moved at the end before refinery closed or is stored in the engine house at White Pine.


Is the engine house on private property?
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby NS3322 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:59 pm

Here are some shots I took of the White Pine Branch back in July.
I unfortunately could not locate the SW1.

White Pine Yard
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LP Walsh Road Crossing #2
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby AARR » Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:15 pm

There are a few of us who would go here just to see the unused tracks (before they are removed). I like "fossil hunting ".
NS3322 wrote:Here are some shots I took of the White Pine Branch back in July.
I unfortunately could not locate the SW1.

White Pine Yard
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LP Walsh Road Crossing #1
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LP Walsh Road Crossing #2
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby NS3322 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:10 pm

AARR wrote:There are a few of us who would go here just to see the unused tracks (before they are removed). I like "fossil hunting ".


I agree. "Fossil hunting" is fun :) .
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby jimnorthwood » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:11 pm

Neat pics, thanks for sharing. My guess is that as long as there is a possibility that some form of mining activity will resume near White Pine, the line will be kept in place.
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby NS3322 » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:47 pm

Does anyone know when the last time a train went down this branch?
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby iandt » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:27 pm

I recall there being quite a few boxcars in White Pine last time I was in Ontonagon, in 2013 or so. But that was a long time ago.
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby blackjack1518 » Sat Dec 17, 2016 9:28 am

NS3322 wrote:Does anyone know when the last time a train went down this branch?



October 2010 would have been last train. Sometime in late 2010 or early 2011 CN ran track geometry evaluation car. The line has been in "embargo" ever since related track/bridge conditions. If this new copper mine at White Pine ever takes off CN shall have a major track rehab to take place. The company also owns ore rights to deposit at the Copperwood project located 18 miles from the historic White Pine mine site.
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby blackjack1518 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:35 pm

Well here is good news for this CN track that's been idle.


http://www.mininggazette.com/news/local ... g-sources/
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby crazylegs_9 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:31 pm

I couldn't imagine the excitement as a Railfan if I lived near those lines.
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby NS3322 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:44 pm

I emailed ILSX a few months ago and I forgot to update this thread, but I received some "new" information on the SW1 #1371 refinery switcher.

Independent Locomotive Service wrote:We sold that unit to White Pine Copper many years ago (don’t know if it is still called that). Last I heard the mine was either idle or they were not shipping buy rail. CN stopped maintaining the line so the locomotive was offered up for sale. No takers because it is basically land locked. That is too bad because it is a nice SW1. Well maintained and stored inside.
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby blackjack1518 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:15 pm

NS3322 wrote:I emailed ILSX a few months ago and I forgot to update this thread, but I received some "new" information on the SW1 #1371 refinery switcher.

Independent Locomotive Service wrote:We sold that unit to White Pine Copper many years ago (don’t know if it is still called that). Last I heard the mine was either idle or they were not shipping buy rail. CN stopped maintaining the line so the locomotive was offered up for sale. No takers because it is basically land locked. That is too bad because it is a nice SW1. Well maintained and stored inside.


It's been sitting in the engine house next to the refinery. Not sure what will ever be done with this engine, and if the rail to White Pine will ever be used again. The Copperwood mine just recently received all permits to mine now as of week ago. The company is currently unfunded to build the mine and has said it's been difficult to try and get funded due to soft market with copper. I believe the company had planned to truck the concentrate 100 miles one way to Park Falls, WI to be loaded onto CN rail. But recent news by Highland copper has the concentrate transport as still being studied. CN WP sub would be to costly most likely for CN to bring back online. I would think if rail returns to Ontonagon for the biofuel plant the copper company use that rail and reduce transport costs.
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby Saturnalia » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:30 pm

blackjack1518 wrote:But recent news by Highland copper has the concentrate transport as still being studied. CN WP sub would be to costly most likely for CN to bring back online. I would think if rail returns to Ontonagon for the biofuel plant the copper company use that rail and reduce transport costs.

The main sticking point for the White Pine Sub is that it can't handle 263K cars. The site selected in Wisconsin is literally the closest point on a CN mainline capable of handling 286K cars, or so the story goes.
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby NS3322 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:34 pm

blackjack1518 wrote:It's been sitting in the engine house next to the refinery. Not sure what will ever be done with this engine, and if the rail to White Pine will ever be used again.


Is this building the engine house?
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Saturnalia wrote:The main sticking point for the White Pine Sub is that it can't handle 263K cars. The site selected in Wisconsin is literally the closest point on a CN mainline capable of handling 286K cars, or so the story goes.


Another blow to the WP Sub. :(
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby Jeff Smith » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:09 am

blackjack1518 wrote:
NS3322 wrote:I emailed ILSX a few months ago and I forgot to update this thread, but I received some "new" information on the SW1 #1371 refinery switcher.

Independent Locomotive Service wrote:We sold that unit to White Pine Copper many years ago (don’t know if it is still called that). Last I heard the mine was either idle or they were not shipping buy rail. CN stopped maintaining the line so the locomotive was offered up for sale. No takers because it is basically land locked. That is too bad because it is a nice SW1. Well maintained and stored inside.


It's been sitting in the engine house next to the refinery. Not sure what will ever be done with this engine, and if the rail to White Pine will ever be used again. The Copperwood mine just recently received all permits to mine now as of week ago. The company is currently unfunded to build the mine and has said it's been difficult to try and get funded due to soft market with copper. I believe the company had planned to truck the concentrate 100 miles one way to Park Falls, WI to be loaded onto CN rail. But recent news by Highland copper has the concentrate transport as still being studied. CN WP sub would be to costly most likely for CN to bring back online. I would think if rail returns to Ontonagon for the biofuel plant the copper company use that rail and reduce transport costs.

This isn't the first time someone suggested Ontonagon rail be re-laid. I guess it just doesn't make any sense that they would do that after having removed it not that long ago.
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Re: CN White Pine Branch

Unread postby blackjack1518 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:15 pm

It is my understanding that the 12 miles of rail relay into Ontonagon is a must for this biofuel plant. This was a really big deal when ELS removed the rail so quickly, as had been told to the railroad something would be in the works. Most likely pulled up because of it's heavy pound rail with resale value.
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