Stub end railyards in Michigan

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Stub end railyards in Michigan

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Besides Kilgore yard, are there any other rail yards that were stub ended either by design or later in the yards lifespan? I'm looking to see what determined the use of certain types of bumpers or ballast piles at the end of each stub track.

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New Buffalo is stub-ended, as is Ludington

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Doktor No wrote:Wyoming 36th Street ex Fisher Body yard on GDLK is too.
Completely forgot about that yard. Been there a few times measuring up equipment but never made it down far enough to see how the track ends.

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MQT3001 wrote:New Buffalo is stub-ended, as is Ludington
Any specifics about those yards? I've been around the west side of the Ludington yard but I didn't stop to see how the tracks terminated. Was it always a stub end yard or did all tracks converge to the boat slip?

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CK&S North Yd had three tracks that were turned into stubs around 1990 or so, with pairs of ties for bumpers. Hinman Yd is stubbed up against the earthen approach of Raymond Rd where it passes over the main. I don't know whether the overpass predates the yard though. New Hollow Yd in Lansing is another.

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Proto48Patrick wrote:
MQT3001 wrote:New Buffalo is stub-ended, as is Ludington
Any specifics about those yards? I've been around the west side of the Ludington yard but I didn't stop to see how the tracks terminated. Was it always a stub end yard or did all tracks converge to the boat slip?

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I think New Buffalo was always stub-ended, but I am not sure...Ludington was bi-ended until the boat slips and such were removed. Not sure how they're buffered, perhaps one of the MQT guys could help there. New Buffalo these days basically ends into the woods...not sure how they were capped off.

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The old Port Huron and Detroit parallel to the Trunks' Tunnel Yard has 6 stub-ended
tracks. There used to be only 3 stub tracks and one continued across Michigan Road
to interchange with the Trunk on the Mt. Clemens sub. 2 others joined back with that
track to from runarounds. The 2 double ended tracks and the runner would be used
for classification and the 3 stubs were generally storage, but that would change daily.
All 6 are still used by CSX.
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MQT3001 wrote: I think New Buffalo was always stub-ended, but I am not sure...
Quite sure that New Buffalo was not always stub-ended... check how the tree line and tracks angle back in towards the mainline. Empty coal there to boot:
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New Buffalo was originally not stub-ended. The west end of the yard was stub-ended some time in the mid 1990's.
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Jochs wrote:New Buffalo was originally not stub-ended. The west end of the yard was stub-ended some time in the mid 1990's.
It was stub-ended by 1995 when Beavers came through...

Yeah it definitely does look like it was once Bi-directional...makes sense.

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in mid 70's and earlier
porter yd - bi directional - porter man ran grand rapids to porter each way daily
new buffalo - bi direction - top 3 eastern most tracks and ladder to lacrosse, 4th eastern most track ladder went both ways - lacrosse and toward porter
11 tracks west of lacrosse and 4th tk went toward porter, small 8 track yard at east end next to round hse
switched 3 to 4 trains each way - mostly auto's - toward ri, icg, barr, bensonville? with a ufx and grx as needed
Benton harbor - bi dir.
waverly - bi dir
Wyoming - bi dir
6th st - bi with middle tracks stubbed
grand ledge - bi
ensel - bi
green oak - bi later removed
east yard, middlebelt, rougemere, all bi
delray int - bi and stub, coach yd by Wabash boat yd. bi - fort st union station stub
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One of GTW/CN's Pontiac yards is stub ended. It's on the old PO&B near Walton Jct. Unused now if not removed.
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CSX North yard near BC Cobb in Muskegon has 2 stub ended tracks. Both have Hayes style bumpers protecting the end of track.


Good info guys, how about more details on the ends of the stub?

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At one time GTW/CN had a large stub end yard on the south side of 8 Mile Rd Detroit/Warren border (railroad name Nolan). For many years it was an old car storage cemetery. Been gone for 10 years or there abouts.
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GDLK's Three Rivers yard use to be the main and passing tracks on the way to Niles. No bumper post or ballast pile just ends at Broadway St. Tracks across the street go over the trestle over the St. JOSEPH river just asphalt between them. Trestle is a fishing bridge now. The crew has to be careful with long trains because of no means to stop it .

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Bumper won't stop a car unless it is going at a crawl. Most places consider hitting the bumper a rules violation. A pile of dirt, rocks, or cross ties are just as effective as a bumper and a lot cheaper. If the bumper was ripped out in an incident they may have just put some dirt and went on their way.

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CSX_CO wrote:Bumper won't stop a car unless it is going at a crawl. Most places consider hitting the bumper a rules violation. A pile of dirt, rocks, or cross ties are just as effective as a bumper and a lot cheaper. If the bumper was ripped out in an incident they may have just put some dirt and went on their way.

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So would a pile of dirt / rocks / crossties constitute a bumper?
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ns8401 wrote:
CSX_CO wrote:Bumper won't stop a car unless it is going at a crawl. Most places consider hitting the bumper a rules violation. A pile of dirt, rocks, or cross ties are just as effective as a bumper and a lot cheaper. If the bumper was ripped out in an incident they may have just put some dirt and went on their way.

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So would a pile of dirt / rocks / crossties constitute a bumper?
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CSX's Wayne yard.

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I guess there are also parts of Wyoming yard that are stubbed-support yard comes to mind

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