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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby OldBastard » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:23 am

Ten minutes to, apply handbrakes, uncouple, dial dispatch, wait, wait, wait, get lined around, run north, dial dispatch, wait, wait, run south, recouple, move marker, release handbrakes. Hah, child prodigy is a little off on this hard decision. But when you think you're always right, you always are.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby Doktor No » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:40 am

He isn't of the real rail world yet OB. Thinks everything JUST HAPPENS and it doesn't. Never has, never will. Work a local or a thru freight for a few years and you'll maybe see the light.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby Saturnalia » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:00 am

OldBastard wrote:Ten minutes to, apply handbrakes, uncouple, dial dispatch, wait, wait, wait, get lined around, run north, dial dispatch, wait, wait, run south, recouple, move marker, release handbrakes. Hah, child prodigy is a little off on this hard decision. But when you think you're always right, you always are.

When the whole point of the trip is to show off the railroad and you want to bring a theater car, then that is totally worth it. It’s not that bad at all to run around the train, even in CTC. I have switched out cars before, I’m not totally in denial that it does take a bit of work, but let’s not make mountains out of molehills here. It is literally two cars. It isn’t a Barge, shouldn’t take more than a couple minutes to airtest.

You could even argue from a financial perspective that that even a 30-minute turn time is financially worth it to only run a single unit. A 30-minute time-savings is not worth the cost of running an additional locomotive. It probably would have been more work to switch the additional unit onto the train, then it took to run the locomotive around!
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby PatAzo » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:06 am

It's a social event, time is not of the essence. Use the theater car as a theater car. See the railroad going south. Let the kids watch them couple back up at Park. Watch the locomotive and engineer going back.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby justalurker66 » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:07 pm

Engines at both ends would be bad for the theater car, but unless they can wye the train (or operate from the theater car!) there will be an "obstructed" view in one travel direction (although some might not consider staring at a diesel an obstructed view).

Actually - not a bad idea for a steam excursion. Has anyone ever coupled an observation car immediately behind the engine and tender? Or do car owners prefer their cars be further away from the engine? Most of the steam runs I have seen have open cars near the engine where people can taste the cinders and closed cars (including domes) further back for air conditioned comfort.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby Raildudes dad » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:20 pm

Excursion story. I ran an excursion years ago. 1 group was the tourist railroad, they furnished the passenger equipment, another group was a historical society, the 3rd group was for the "host' railroad who provided the power. Each group got a car to "sell" a car. The RR guy said I don't need a car, my guys ride trains all week, they don't want to ride on Saturday. So I wasn't too concerned when the other 2 groups cars were full. The week of, the RR guy calls me and says guess what, their families want to ride:). He had reservations for a full car. LOL. I don't think there was an empty seat on the train. :D
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby Ben Higdon » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:36 pm

OldBastard wrote:Ten minutes to, apply handbrakes, uncouple, dial dispatch, wait, wait, wait, get lined around, run north, dial dispatch, wait, wait, run south, recouple, move marker, release handbrakes. Hah, child prodigy is a little off on this hard decision. But when you think you're always right, you always are.


It’d be ten minutes just being in motion alone to run around on a 25mph two mile pass, and back on a 40mph main.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby Super Chief » Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:54 pm

Upon visit to Gearhart yard this morning observed the 2 passenger cars still there. Empty stone train was ready to depart south. Also 302 & 301 met at Park/Cowling at about 11:30. Stone train arrived there at 3:45. So lots of action on a rainy day.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby kd_1014 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:14 pm

What did the stone train have for power?
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby Doktor No » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:25 pm

"I've switched cars before." Yeah right.
"It should only take a couple of minutes to perform an air test." Try that with an FRA man around and see what happens. See the part about APPLY HANDBRAKES and TEST HANDBRAKES. It takes as long as it takes. If the dispatcher doesn't answer, it takes as LONG AS IT TAKES.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby Super Chief » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:52 pm

Stone train had NS 1063 & 7333.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby SD80MAC » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:08 pm

I don’t think he said anything wrong. It should only take a couple of minutes to do an air test on 2 cars. *shrug*
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby 1TrackMind » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:10 pm

Look the railroad made a choice that worked best for them. The opinions of rail fans doesn't matter.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby kenN » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:31 pm

Got just a quick glimpse from US 131 of the two passenger cars (one of them a dome) at Hughart Yard in GR at noon today. Unfortunately, no time to backtrack and no camera..... KJN
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby SD80MAC » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:00 pm

The dome car is supposed to leave Grand Rapids Saturday morning on P371 and the theater car is supposed to leave on Q327 at some point.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby Super Chief » Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:17 am

Stone train pulling into Elkhart now. Elk crew to be called soon, same 2 units NS 1063 & 7333.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby SD80MAC » Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:41 pm

Grand Elk shoved about 40 empty centerbeams down to the very end of the Hastings branch this afternoon with WAMX 4190. As far as anyone seems to know, this is one of the only trains (only?) to have crossed Eastern and 36th streets since the Conrail/very early NS era. Also most likely the first time that rail has ever seen an SD40!
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby ~Z~ » Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:34 pm

SD80MAC wrote:Grand Elk shoved about 40 empty centerbeams down to the very end of the Hastings branch this afternoon with WAMX 4190. As far as anyone seems to know, this is one of the only trains (only?) to have crossed Eastern and 36th streets since the Conrail/very early NS era. Also most likely the first time that rail has ever seen an SD40!


Well shoot, that would have been pretty excellent to go see today. I'll bike around Steelcase and take a look at the empty centerbeams another day. Last week, saw a lot of empty centerbeams stored in Kalamazoo on the portion of the line north of Mosel Ave that runs into Parchment.
As for cars that have crossed Eastern/36th, there were autoracks stored there within the past 10 years.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby MQT1223 » Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:35 am

~Z~ wrote:
SD80MAC wrote:Grand Elk shoved about 40 empty centerbeams down to the very end of the Hastings branch this afternoon with WAMX 4190. As far as anyone seems to know, this is one of the only trains (only?) to have crossed Eastern and 36th streets since the Conrail/very early NS era. Also most likely the first time that rail has ever seen an SD40!


Well shoot, that would have been pretty excellent to go see today. I'll bike around Steelcase and take a look at the empty centerbeams another day. Last week, saw a lot of empty centerbeams stored in Kalamazoo on the portion of the line north of Mosel Ave that runs into Parchment.
As for cars that have crossed Eastern/36th, there were autoracks stored there within the past 10 years.


There are more centerbeams set to be stored on the Hastings Lead up to the L&W switch, so they will have to cross again at some point, however the rail has been knocked out of place for the crossings to be FRA-exempt due to the condition of the electronics, which isn't great.

I think total GDLK is getting about 170 centerbeams, and a bunch will also go on the CK&S north of BO tower.
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Re: GDLK Operations

Unread postby Doktor No » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:14 am

The trains between Jackson and GR both ways had regular SD40's on them in the early to mid 70's PC era. I had noticed center beams parked south of the lumber yard on the 8th when I was down that way. Interesting they are parking lumber cars...because experts agrees, the economy is doing biggly. Or perhaps not.
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