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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby J T » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:35 pm

NS3322 wrote:Is the infamous Lake Cora "backyard running" section between mileposts 25.1 and 26.5?

I'm happy to take advantage of the opportunity to post this image as much as I can. :lol: :D

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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby MQT1223 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:39 pm

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The DNR applauds these efforts, and negotiations with WMRR have included discussions that the reactivated corridor will allow
for both rail and trail activities where possible. Except, between Mileposts 25.1 and 26.5. Here, the
previous owners of the WMRR sold the corridor, but that sale was made,


So in other words, reactivated rail service will never extend beyond Lawrence?


Not unless you can go around, or fork up a ton of money.
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby Farmboybello » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:56 pm

O Scale Railfanner wrote:
J T wrote:
The DNR applauds these efforts, and negotiations with WMRR have included discussions that the reactivated corridor will allow
for both rail and trail activities where possible. Except, between Mileposts 25.1 and 26.5. Here, the
previous owners of the WMRR sold the corridor, but that sale was made,


So in other words, reactivated rail service will never extend beyond Lawrence?


Not unless you can go around, or fork up a ton of money.

Pioneer did sell the right of way next to Lake Cora but as I believe the STB document stated, the purchase agreement with the new owners included a clause that they have the right to reacquire the land to build through the area next to Lake Cora to connect the two segments of the right of way. Therefore, returning rail service to Paw Paw is 100% possible.
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby NS3322 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:11 pm

Farmboybello wrote:Pioneer did sell the right of way next to Lake Cora but as I believe the STB document stated, the purchase agreement with the new owners included a clause that they have the right to reacquire the land to build through the area next to Lake Cora to connect the two segments of the right of way. Therefore, returning rail service to Paw Paw is 100% possible.


Oh good! Cannot wait to hear the complaining from the NIMBY people! :lol:
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby NS3322 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:13 pm

J T wrote:
NS3322 wrote:Is the infamous Lake Cora "backyard running" section between mileposts 25.1 and 26.5?

I'm happy to take advantage of the opportunity to post this image as much as I can. :lol: :D

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Cannot believe these were taken 11 years ago...these are some of my favorite photos. Kudos to Jon Hall and JT for likely capturing one of the last revenue moves past Lawrence! Where was the reefer headed that day?
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby Farmboybello » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:27 pm

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Where was the reefer headed that day?

IIRC the reefers were delivered to Ralph Moyle Industries just past Teapot Dome. They were the last customer past Hanson Logistics in Hartford.
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby AARR » Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:12 am

J_T, that is one of my favorite all time pictures. It looks like that train is running on grass.

IIRC the Coke plant in Paw Paw would be the signature customer and I don't think they would get enough cars to justify investing in rebuilding the rail but maybe I'm wrong :? .
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby NS3322 » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:35 am

Not sure where to ask this but it is somewhat related. Did GLLX purchase another CF7? In this photo the CF7 has "GLLX" reporting marks...this photo was taken at the Colebrookdale Railroad (Boyertown, PA) in 2016. Someone posted in the RYPN thread that it has left Pennsylvania.

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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby SD80MAC » Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:44 am

That one is owned by someone else, the reporting marks were loaned for the move.
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby J T » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:31 am

NS3322 wrote:Cannot believe these were taken 11 years ago...these are some of my favorite photos. Kudos to Jon Hall for likely capturing one of the last revenue moves past Lawrence! Where was the reefer headed that day?

What, no kudos to me too? :lol:
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby J T » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:34 am

AARR wrote:J_T, that is one of my favorite all time pictures. It looks like that train is running on grass.


Well, it pretty much was! haha

IIRC the Coke plant in Paw Paw would be the signature customer and I don't think they would get enough cars to justify investing in rebuilding the rail but maybe I'm wrong :? .

Even if they were able to justify it, where are they going to rebuild the line near Lake Cora?
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby NS3322 » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:29 pm

J T wrote:
NS3322 wrote:Cannot believe these were taken 11 years ago...these are some of my favorite photos. Kudos to Jon Hall for likely capturing one of the last revenue moves past Lawrence! Where was the reefer headed that day?

What, no kudos to me too? :lol:


My bad JT, did not realize that was your photo!
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby J T » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:58 pm

NS3322 wrote:
J T wrote:
NS3322 wrote:Cannot believe these were taken 11 years ago...these are some of my favorite photos. Kudos to Jon Hall for likely capturing one of the last revenue moves past Lawrence! Where was the reefer headed that day?

What, no kudos to me too? :lol:


My bad JT, did not realize that was your photo!


Haha. Yeah, Jon and I were following the train that day. Just randomly stumbled upon the photo op as we were heading to Indiana.

The last page or two in this gallery has all my shots from that day: http://railroadfan.com/gallery/thumbnai ... age-4.html
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby J T » Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:59 pm

One of my favorites from that day:

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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby Farmboybello » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:42 pm

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IIRC the Coke plant in Paw Paw would be the signature customer and I don't think they would get enough cars to justify investing in rebuilding the rail but maybe I'm wrong :? .

Even if they were able to justify it, where are they going to rebuild the line near Lake Cora?

They would rebuild it right along the old right of way since (thankfully) Pioneer kept the rights to reacquire the portion they sold with that provision now passing to the new owners. If the line is ever rebuilt through there it will be fun watching all the NIMBYs freak out over the rails going back through their yards.
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby J T » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:43 pm

Farmboybello wrote:They would rebuild it right along the old right of way since (thankfully) Pioneer kept the rights to reacquire the portion they sold with that provision now passing to the new owners. If the line is ever rebuilt through there it will be fun watching all the NIMBYs freak out over the rails going back through their yards.

That's going to be one hell of a fight!
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby Schteinkuh » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:19 pm

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Farmboybello wrote:They would rebuild it right along the old right of way since (thankfully) Pioneer kept the rights to reacquire the portion they sold with that provision now passing to the new owners. If the line is ever rebuilt through there it will be fun watching all the NIMBYs freak out over the rails going back through their yards.

That's going to be one hell of a fight!

Sounds pretty one sided to me! One side has rights to reacquire, the other side can only whine and watch, really.
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby ~Z~ » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:41 am

Just some further correspondence between WMRR and the STB about the Lake Cora property that had the ROW given back to adjacent land owners: https://www.stb.gov/filings/all.nsf/ba7f93537688b8e5852573210004b318/90b8eac8ee8910e4852583600044ce2c/$FILE/246881.pdf
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby NS3322 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:11 pm

~Z~ wrote:Just some further correspondence between WMRR and the STB about the Lake Cora property that had the ROW given back to adjacent land owners: https://www.stb.gov/filings/all.nsf/ba7f93537688b8e5852573210004b318/90b8eac8ee8910e4852583600044ce2c/$FILE/246881.pdf


Is the big (Ethanol?) development still coming to Paw Paw?
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Re: West Michigan RR Abandonment Petition Coming

Unread postby AARR » Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:53 pm

Why would an ethanol plant build in Paw Paw, have to fight legalities to rebuild the ROW when there is so much open and inexpensive land along existing ROW's?
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~Z~ wrote:Just some further correspondence between WMRR and the STB about the Lake Cora property that had the ROW given back to adjacent land owners: https://www.stb.gov/filings/all.nsf/ba7f93537688b8e5852573210004b318/90b8eac8ee8910e4852583600044ce2c/$FILE/246881.pdf


Is the big (Ethanol?) development still coming to Paw Paw?
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