Lake Shore Limited Michigan test routing

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PerRock wrote:
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PerRock wrote: ~cutting my really long quoted quote post for brevity~
The Union rep who sent this out to his constituents is none too pleased to see his words posted on foamer boards. I know none of you care because it's all about you and your so called thirst for knowledge. Nice....
If you've got such a problem with it, bring it up with the guy who posted it online when he shouldn't have. I only quoted what s/he posted.

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IF YOU DON"T WANT PEOPLE TO READ AND / OR REPOST YOUR INFORMATION. DO NOT PUT IT ON THE INTERNET. Why do people have such a hard time with this ? Maybe if he had sent it to Hillary she would have wiped it off her personal server :D . Couldn't resist.
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I laugh at any attempt to keep something secret in this information age.... it's going to get out, best deal with it.

In this case, perhaps a little public light will put the kibosh on this stupid boondoggle.

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PerRock wrote:If you've got such a problem with it, bring it up with the guy who posted it online when he shouldn't have. I only quoted what s/he posted.

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I don't have a problem with it, but my friend the union rep does. He only sent it to 12 people, so it shouldn't be too hard to find the "leak".
Not that obvious

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As the old saying goes, "A secret one person knows is a secret. A secret two people know is no secret. A secret three people know is knowledge shouted to the world." 12 people? Not a chance.

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Let's muddy the water a little more. I have daily contact with the dispatcher who would have to deal with them and he has heard nothing. ????

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PerRock wrote:
BnOEngr wrote:
PerRock wrote: ~cutting my really long quoted quote post for brevity~
The Union rep who sent this out to his constituents is none too pleased to see his words posted on foamer boards. I know none of you care because it's all about you and your so called thirst for knowledge. Nice....
If you've got such a problem with it, bring it up with the guy who posted it online when he shouldn't have. I only quoted what s/he posted.

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It wasn't posted online, someone obviously copied and pasted the email to Facebook
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Wait, just so I'm clear, does this mean the rerouted train would stop at all of the stations on the Michigan Line, or do we not know that yet? It's a limited, so I don't imagine so, but I'm just wondering. And, if not, at which stations would it stop?

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The time card will remain basically the same until they enter/ leave the Michigan line (which would put them probably 2am at Detroit EB and 6-7am at Detroit WB)
Perfect. I always wanted to arrive in Detroit at 2am. :roll:
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MiddleMI wrote:Wait, just so I'm clear, does this mean the rerouted train would stop at all of the stations on the Michigan Line, or do we not know that yet? It's a limited, so I don't imagine so, but I'm just wondering. And, if not, at which stations would it stop?
We don't even know if this is actually going to happen, much less the details.

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PerRock wrote:
MiddleMI wrote:Wait, just so I'm clear, does this mean the rerouted train would stop at all of the stations on the Michigan Line, or do we not know that yet? It's a limited, so I don't imagine so, but I'm just wondering. And, if not, at which stations would it stop?
We don't even know if this is actually going to happen, much less the details.

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I think it is a very safe assumption that they'd only stop and 4-5 stations. Like DET, AA, Jackson, Battle Creek, Kazoo and maybe Michigan City -- at most. Easily could be less than that. The smaller stations are best served by the existing trains - and many only get one or two round trips per day to begin with.
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Saturnalia wrote:
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MiddleMI wrote:Wait, just so I'm clear, does this mean the rerouted train would stop at all of the stations on the Michigan Line, or do we not know that yet? It's a limited, so I don't imagine so, but I'm just wondering. And, if not, at which stations would it stop?
We don't even know if this is actually going to happen, much less the details.

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I think it is a very safe assumption that they'd only stop and 4-5 stations. Like DET, AA, Jackson, Battle Creek, Kazoo and maybe Michigan City -- at most. Easily could be less than that. The smaller stations are best served by the existing trains - and many only get one or two round trips per day to begin with.
We know that if it does do the reroute, it won't be stopping in DET, as it has to turn south before then. The best Detroit-Region stop for the LSL would be Dearborn, as it heads south shortly there after.

If I had to guess the stops it'll probably be KAL & ARB possibly JXN & DER; but seeing as their already adding some travel time, I doubt they'd want to add too many stops which would make it even slower. JXN & DER (and DET for that matter) are within a reasonable distance to ARB (1hr driving) as with BC is also about an hour to KAL. Although thinking about it, DER might become a crew-change spot as they'll probably need crew trained for the line down to TOL.

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When I said DET, I wasn't meaning literally DET the station, but rather the metro area. Sorry, but ambiguous.

I too would expect a handful of stops and that's it. One has to wonder if they'd do BOTH Battle Creek and Kzoo, or if they'd only choose one.
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I have heard crew is to run TOLEDO to CHICAGO and vice versa, using Toledo based and or Pontiac based crews (one post I have read eldest said there are a lot of Michigan based crew currently or something like that)
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Ypsi wrote:I have heard crew is to run TOLEDO to CHICAGO and vice versa, using Toledo based and or Pontiac based crews (one post I have read eldest said there are a lot of Michigan based crew currently or something like that)
Sounds like Toledo will cover it, at least for now. Otherwise if that plan doesn't work I'd bet Michigan crews would take over in Battle Creek as they usually do on the Michigan Services
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As far as stops go. Dearborn, AA, BC, Kzoo makes the most sense. Doubtful Mich City gets a stop unless Indiana pays for it. This is a Michigan lead project and the stop times need to be minimized.

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Also remember LSL is a long distance train which means some federal funds for running it. Win -win situation

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jpillinois wrote:As far as stops go. Dearborn, AA, BC, Kzoo makes the most sense. Doubtful Mich City gets a stop unless Indiana pays for it. This is a Michigan lead project and the stop times need to be minimized.
Definitely Dearborn, AA, and Kalamazoo and MAYBE New Buffalo, depending on arrival/departure times (perhaps a connection with the PM if it works out that way?) but I'm not sold on BC. Kalamazoo is a half hour, 45 minutes maximum, away from BC. Just stick with Kalamazoo and be done with it. There's really no reason to stop there.


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NSSD70ACe wrote:MAYBE New Buffalo, depending on arrival/departure times (perhaps a connection with the PM if it works out that way?)
No. The PM and LSL are both EB and WB at the same time of day. There is literally ZERO benefit from their connection.
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NSSD70ACe wrote:MAYBE New Buffalo, depending on arrival/departure times (perhaps a connection with the PM if it works out that way?)
No. The PM and LSL are both EB and WB at the same time of day. There is literally ZERO benefit from their connection.
Not to mention the PM rides on CSX tracks west of town, not on the Mich ROW. The state has put in for TIGER grants to create the Western Michigan connection. Where the CSX crosses over the MI ROW just north of New Buffalo. This would reroute the PM onto the Mich Row. But the effort has never raised a dime of fed money.

http://www.cityofnewbuffalo.org/downloa ... rative.pdf

So it seems the consensus is DBN, AA, KZ are the most important stops. I would think one more western stop is needed either New Buffalo or Niles.

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That's why I suggested Michigan City. Pull a bit of NW Indiana there heading east.
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