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Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby That Guy » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:28 pm

Thing are heating up on the CKIN. Wonder who the town is talking with regarding a new operator?

http://www.stb.dot.gov/filings/all.nsf/ ... 238219.pdf
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby AARR » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:49 pm

Can someone translate this from legalize to working man language?
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby railroadchoad » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:05 pm

AARR, it would appear that the Town of North Judson, as owner of the track upon which the CKIN operates, wishes to replace the CKIN as the Designated Operator of the line. Further, it would also appear the CKIN has no intention of ceasing operations upon the line when their operating agreement with the town expires at the end of this year. The town wishes to expedite the decision-making process by the STB so that the ball can be rolling for a replacement operator well before the year is over. They provide precedent for such a swift decision.

It sounds rather contentious. I would guess that another operator has already been lined-up (think Watco or Pioneer-though I have absolutely NO knowledge of this issue) in an informal way but the current operator needs to be made to get out of the way first.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby AARR » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:15 pm

Thanks, RRChoad.

Anyone know anything about this line? Is their a good customer base? How often the operate? I'll Google it but if anyone can share what they know its appreciated.
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The Chesapeake and Indiana Railroad (reporting mark CKIN) is a Class III short-line railroad operating 33 miles (53 km) of rail line in northwestern Indiana. From the town of La Crosse, lines run northwest to the Porter County town of Malden, southeast to the Starke County towns of English Lake and North Judson, and northeast through La Porte County past Thomaston and Hanna to Wellsboro. The railroad is owned by the Town of North Judson and operated under lease by the Indiana Boxcar Corporation.

The Chesapeake and Indiana is mostly used for transporting grain from rural elevators to the mainline railroad systems. The railroad interchanges with Norfolk Southern at Thomaston and CSX at Wellsboro. The railroad moved only 700 cars on startup in 2004, and with hard work and good customer service, they have increased that to 3,000 cars in 2011, and that number is expected to grow in the coming years. When the railroad first started, the only connection with a class one was in Wellsboro, IN with the CSX. The C&I and NS soon build a connection in Thomaston to allow more cars per year and competitive shipping rates between the 2 class one's.

Rail tours are also operated on the C&I line by the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum, starting in North Judson and continuing to either English Lake or La Crosse. Visit the Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum's website for more information about these excursions.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby CSX_CO » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:29 pm

AFAIK, nothing on the N Judson end of the line. This is the former C&O of Indiana main line. It runs from N Judson to Makden, IN. Big elevator at Malden and Wellsboro. Maybe anothe small shipper at LaCrossse. Not much else on the line I don't believe. Former PM branch from Wellsboro to Lacrosse provides the connection to the outside world. CSX sold this track off in 2004. Used to be a shipper at Monterrey, IN on the former Erie. The elevator, or connecting railroad, quit service. EL is now abandoned and CSX sold the line to a couple counties. They selected Felix Powell of Indiana Boxcar as operator of the line.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby AARR » Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:41 am

Thanks, CSX.

I youtubed CKIN and it seems they have 5 or 6 engines on their roster. None are repainted or painted the same.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby Notch 8 » Sat Apr 18, 2015 8:33 am

AARR wrote:Thanks, CSX.

I youtubed CKIN and it seems they have 5 or 6 engines on their roster. None are repainted or painted the same.


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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby AARR » Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:43 am

Notch 8 wrote:6 axle 1st generation EMD products... Worth the effort to see them operating.. former Missabe & EJ&E Power...

Yes, those are neat. I think those are SDM's or something like that. They are rebuilt SD9's or 18's.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby LakeATCS » Sat Apr 18, 2015 4:38 pm

CSX_CO wrote:AFAIK, nothing on the N Judson end of the line. This is the former C&O of Indiana main line. It runs from N Judson to Makden, IN. Big elevator at Malden and Wellsboro. Maybe anothe small shipper at LaCrossse. Not much else on the line I don't believe. Former PM branch from Wellsboro to Lacrosse provides the connection to the outside world. CSX sold this track off in 2004. Used to be a shipper at Monterrey, IN on the former Erie. The elevator, or connecting railroad, quit service. EL is now abandoned and CSX sold the line to a couple counties. They selected Felix Powell of Indiana Boxcar as operator of the line.


They added a wye to the NS at East Thomaston. You can see it on google.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby 60Tonner » Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:08 pm

CSX_CO wrote:AFAIK, nothing on the N Judson end of the line. This is the former C&O of Indiana main line. It runs from N Judson to Makden, IN. Big elevator at Malden and Wellsboro. Maybe anothe small shipper at LaCrossse. Not much else on the line I don't believe. Former PM branch from Wellsboro to Lacrosse provides the connection to the outside world. CSX sold this track off in 2004. Used to be a shipper at Monterrey, IN on the former Erie. The elevator, or connecting railroad, quit service. EL is now abandoned and CSX sold the line to a couple counties. They selected Felix Powell of Indiana Boxcar as operator of the line.



His name is Powell Felix.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby AlcoGuy » Sat May 02, 2015 9:58 am

Yep...Powell Felix of Indiana Hi Rail fame. We all know what happened there...
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby Notch 8 » Mon May 04, 2015 5:57 am

I bet the next operator won't have as neat as power...
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby redside20 » Mon May 04, 2015 7:33 pm

AlcoGuy wrote:Yep...Powell Felix of Indiana Hi Rail fame. We all know what happened there...


Is that guy who flushed Indiana Hi Rail and their many branchlines down the toilet? And Is this the same Indiana Hi Rail who operated the Carrothers Secondary after Conrail in the 80's?
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby AlcoGuy » Tue May 05, 2015 7:11 am

Yeah, same guy. Also owns IBCX (Indiana Box Car Corp) based out of Connersville In. Hard to understand how he/they could be selected to operate anything based upon the horrible "management" and massive downfall of IHRC. The current situation at CKIN therefore, to me, is of no surprise whatsoever.....I thought after the HiRail failure, he might have learned a thing or two but apparently not. Don't get me wrong, he is a real nice guy, i worked for HiRail for years, but he/they had a very odd way of doing things....
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby That Guy » Fri May 15, 2015 9:57 pm

In the filing it says the town has been talking to reputable operator to take over. Anyone heard who the new operator is?
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby midland sub » Sun May 17, 2015 10:02 am

Speculation over on the IndianaRR board that the Hoosier Valley Rail Museum is going to be the new operator.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby That Guy » Wed May 20, 2015 10:00 pm

Per the town, the museum is not the operator. They have been talking with a 3rd party operator that they claim they are very happy with.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby JStryker722 » Thu May 21, 2015 7:13 am

That Guy wrote:Per the town, the museum is not the operator. They have been talking with a 3rd party operator that they claim they are very happy with.

I could see either Pioneer or G&W taking it over as both own/operate other lines in that part of Indiana.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby AARR » Thu May 21, 2015 7:24 am

JStryker722 wrote:
That Guy wrote:Per the town, the museum is not the operator. They have been talking with a 3rd party operator that they claim they are very happy with.

I could see either Pioneer or G&W taking it over as both own/operate other lines in that part of Indiana.

I feel Pioneer is a more likely candidate than G&W. It seems G&W is looking for larger economies of volume opportunities. 40ish miles of track and 3000ish carloads a year is in Pioneer's core competency.
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Re: Fight on the CKIN

Unread postby JStryker722 » Thu May 21, 2015 1:50 pm

AARR wrote:
JStryker722 wrote:
That Guy wrote:Per the town, the museum is not the operator. They have been talking with a 3rd party operator that they claim they are very happy with.

I could see either Pioneer or G&W taking it over as both own/operate other lines in that part of Indiana.

I feel Pioneer is a more likely candidate than G&W. It seems G&W is looking for larger economies of volume opportunities. 40ish miles of track and 3000ish carloads a year is in Pioneer's core competency.

My thoughts exactly. Small granger Shortlines tend to be Pioneers realm while G&W tend to go for larger Shortlines or Regionals.
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