Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

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Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby bnsfben » Sun Apr 22, 2018 2:30 pm

While in Deshler I’ve noticed the Northwest quadrant wye is completely rusted over. I’m assuming it is no longer used? CSX has a track panel laying next to the switch of the wye on the Garrett Sub. This track panel is not a switch; it is a straight track panel. Are they thinking of removing/abandoning the Northwest Wye?
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby Jochs » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:28 pm

No trains went that way last fall during our meet, and when I was there last summer in the middle of July I don't recall seeing any trains going on the wye.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby MSchwiebert » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:27 am

According to someone who lives there, they ran a container train (south to west) via the NW wye earlier today (4/23). That would have been first move using the wye since a baretable train back in January.
I don't see the turnout being removed, even with the lack of use. Would the additional work (signals, etc.) offset the savings of getting rid a turnout? For what it's worth, back in the 1990's when Deshler north was shut down to through traffic, the physical plant was left intact.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby penn central » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:40 am

MSchwiebert wrote:According to someone who lives there, they ran a container train (south to west) via the NW wye earlier today (4/23). That would have been first move using the wye since a baretable train back in January.
I don't see the turnout being removed, even with the lack of use. Would the additional work (signals, etc.) offset the savings of getting rid a turnout? For what it's worth, back in the 1990's when Deshler north was shut down to through traffic, the physical plant was left intact.

Yep i remember it was closed to threw traffic from 1990 to 1997. It's hard to believe that its been over 20 years ago that it was reactivated.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby MSchwiebert » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:06 pm

Train that used the NW wye today was X151-23 with 40 loads for BNSF.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby DaveO » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:24 pm

MIght be a panel for a grade crossing replacement?
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby M.D.Bentley » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:30 pm

Maybe to straight rail the diamond then ? Echos of E.H.H. ?













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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby JoJames » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:09 pm

Track panel Is NOT to remove the turnout.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby Toppysager » Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:20 am

The last scheduled train to use it was Q209 (Walbridge-Hammond) back in the Summer. Since then there's been nothing other than random moves like today's X151
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby JoJames » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:41 pm

Now you have q200 and q203 using the northwest transfer daily.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby Toppysager » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:16 am

JoJames wrote:Now you have q200 and q203 using the northwest transfer daily.


I believe Q200 was diverted to the Toledo Sub only temporarily for a C&O curfew (signal cutovers that took place at the end of October). I think it still runs the Toledo Sub on occasion when crew availability (or lack thereof) necessitates it, but it is still profiled via the C&O, and diversion is uncommon. You are correct about Q203 however; that train has been profiled down the Toledo Sub since it was added on October 18th, 2018. Usually Q203 is an overnight/pre-dawn run through Deshler
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby Toppysager » Wed Jan 16, 2019 2:18 am

penn central wrote:
MSchwiebert wrote:According to someone who lives there, they ran a container train (south to west) via the NW wye earlier today (4/23). That would have been first move using the wye since a baretable train back in January.
I don't see the turnout being removed, even with the lack of use. Would the additional work (signals, etc.) offset the savings of getting rid a turnout? For what it's worth, back in the 1990's when Deshler north was shut down to through traffic, the physical plant was left intact.

Yep i remember it was closed to threw traffic from 1990 to 1997. It's hard to believe that its been over 20 years ago that it was reactivated.


So there were no through trains at all? I didn't arrive in this world until 1998, so I wasn't around to see it much less aware of the railroading world until well after. I'm surprised there wasn't anything. Did all the traffic just run via the C&O?
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby SD80MAC » Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:16 am

I believe during that period the rail was cut between somewhere around Perrysburg and Deshler.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby MSchwiebert » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:09 pm

That is correct, all through traffic was routed via Fostoria. The elevators in Custar and Weston were served by the local out of Lima, and a yard job served the industries here in Perrysburg. The Lima local had to use the Tontogany siding for run around moves, so the portion that was truly devoid of any traffic was from the Roachton road signals (MP189.5 or so) and a point between Tontogany and Haskins - about 5 miles of track. I don't think it was ever physically cut, but there were gondola cars stored both on the siding and main for quite a long time, and on the portions were the local and yard job did operate they had to using rusty rail rules.

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penn central wrote:
MSchwiebert wrote:According to someone who lives there, they ran a container train (south to west) via the NW wye earlier today (4/23). That would have been first move using the wye since a baretable train back in January.
I don't see the turnout being removed, even with the lack of use. Would the additional work (signals, etc.) offset the savings of getting rid a turnout? For what it's worth, back in the 1990's when Deshler north was shut down to through traffic, the physical plant was left intact.

Yep i remember it was closed to threw traffic from 1990 to 1997. It's hard to believe that its been over 20 years ago that it was reactivated.


So there were no through trains at all? I didn't arrive in this world until 1998, so I wasn't around to see it much less aware of the railroading world until well after. I'm surprised there wasn't anything. Did all the traffic just run via the C&O?
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby JoJames » Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:41 pm

Rails were never cut. Track inspections were done hi railing twice a week.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby Plannerdad » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:21 pm

August 9th observations at Deshler:

My brother and I spend about 12 hours in Deshler from 11:00am to after 10:00pm. Just before noon, a long merchandise freight went northbound through the diamond, did not get there in time to see the power. Around 1:00pm, the local went north through the diamond and returned around 3:00pm. That's all we saw going through the diamond on the N/S line. Although one of the people there indicated the north/south line and the north leg of the "Y" are busier early in the morning, around 4:00am. Not being a morning person, I did not independently verify. Maybe next year I will stay up all night.

The E/W line, including the Y legs to the south were fairly busy, but seemed to come through in clusters. I should have counted better, but there seemed to be about one/hour with clusters of 4 or 5 trains going through at various times, like Noon, 4:00 and 7:00pm. Maybe 6 or 7 heading to/from the south with most of those on the Y leg pointed toward North Baltimore.

We saw trains with steel slabs and other stuff about three times over two days at Deshler to/from the south, then east and to/from the north at Fostoria, loaded heading south and empty northbound.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby JoJames » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:35 pm

Q203 is the only scheduled train using the northwest transfer and that’s during the early wee hours of the morning. Q506 should have been the northbound you saw and it’s counterpart Q507 would also cross the diamond. The ore trains K172 and K173 should also cross the diamond along with the local D743. Once in a while Q200
may use the northwest transfer for several different reasons.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby Jetlink » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:10 am

Wow. That’s a big change. I haven’t been to Deshler in probably about 3-4 years now. There was still significant traffic north and south across the diamonds my last visit. I had heard not much on the northwest transfe/wye any longer but didn’t realize the other north south traffic had declined.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby JoJames » Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:47 pm

Jetlink wrote:Wow. That’s a big change. I haven’t been to Deshler in probably about 3-4 years now. There was still significant traffic north and south across the diamonds my last visit. I had heard not much on the northwest transfe/wye any longer but didn’t realize the other north south traffic had declined.


When CSX had The Detroit Edison contract it was very common to 10-12 trains a day North of Deshler. Most of these used the Northwest transfer.
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Re: Deshler Northwest Wye Removal?

Unread postby Plannerdad » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:22 pm

It looks like the steel slab train could have been routed through Deshler on the N/S line at one time. Did not spend as much time in Fostoria, but I saw no N/S trains on the old C&O going through the diamond.
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