Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby jimnorthwood » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:14 pm

ND&W runs M-F, maybe the occasional Saturday. I've seen them start at Defiance around 8:00 a.m. Easy to find and follow, as the line runs parallel to U.S. 24 and train speeds are low.
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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby MSchwiebert » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:08 pm

The ND&W will also frequently leave power in Napoleon, either parking it on the "main" behind Advance Drainage (ADS) or the two cold storage facilities (Cloverleaf & farmers Produce) immediately to the east of ADS, or on the leads to those facilities. My guess is that there's been vandalism issues from when they parked in more accessible areas.
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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby jimnorthwood » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:34 am

I've seen the same, re parking power in those areas. High $$$ and low priority but I wonder if ND&W will build some sort of engine facility, along the lines (pole barn shed, essentially) of what LCRC/ADBF built and still uses in Adrian. This would also make it easier to do maintenance during the colder months. For the reason you noted, Defiance might not be the best location for such a facility. Maybe some year, after they have gotten their right of way issues (drainage, some new rail, etc) in order.
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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby MSchwiebert » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:53 pm

I'd think they'd have room on the transload property in Napoleon, but Defiance would be more centrally located. Speaking of Defiance, they have done some of the earth moving work & putting down a good gravel sub-base for the new yard tracks in the yard, but one can tell it's been a "weather permitting" type of project so far.

jimnorthwood wrote:I've seen the same, re parking power in those areas. High $$$ and low priority but I wonder if ND&W will build some sort of engine facility, along the lines (pole barn shed, essentially) of what LCRC/ADBF built and still uses in Adrian. This would also make it easier to do maintenance during the colder months. For the reason you noted, Defiance might not be the best location for such a facility. Maybe some year, after they have gotten their right of way issues (drainage, some new rail, etc) in order.
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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby jrgerber » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:59 am

Pioneer has filed an exemption with the STB to abandon the Alabama RR which I believe has 90 pound rail. They may be reusing some ties and rail for the ND&W. Earlier they sold the Shawnee Terminal in Cairo IL and I expect some time this year they will abandon the Miss Central which also has 90 pound rail. Again they may reuse ties and rail for the ND&W.
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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby DaveO » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:46 am

jrgerber wrote:Pioneer has filed an exemption with the STB to abandon the Alabama RR which I believe has 90 pound rail. They may be reusing some ties and rail for the ND&W. Earlier they sold the Shawnee Terminal in Cairo IL and I expect some time this year they will abandon the Miss Central which also has 90 pound rail. Again they may reuse ties and rail for the ND&W.


Neither of those short lines appear to have seen any kind of life extending work.
I think it's doubtful that there are enough solid ties and good rail to relocate.
Get the scrap value out and into their bank account seems likely to me.
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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby h2466 » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:10 pm

[quote}Neither of those short lines appear to have seen any kind of life extending work.
I think it's doubtful that there are enough solid ties and good rail to relocate.
Get the scrap value out and into their bank account seems likely to me.[/quote]

So how do you know the rail isn't any good? Anything is better than what they have now. Ken.
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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby DaveO » Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:09 pm

h2466 wrote:So how do you know the rail isn't any good? Anything is better than what they have now. Ken.


I used google aerial and streetview and other pictures to view their trackage.
I saw nothing to indicate that what is in place was anywhere near recent. The same issue the ND&W has.
My opinion is that what those 2 lines have in place is not better than what is currently in place on ND&W.
The Alabama has seen no traffic for 2 years.

I read the filing. Pioneer indicates they may salvage ties. I saw lots of crap ties.
They also indicated they may salvage rail. That's more likely but I disagree that it's better than what is on the ND&W.
I guess we may find out by the end of summer.

The ND&W needs ballast and surfacing but I doubt their ties are up to it. Good rail on a bad roadbed is a poor use of money.
At least in my opinion.
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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby trainjunkie47 » Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:23 pm

I just witnessed up close on Tuesday the ND&W running east from Cecil toward Defiance. They were chugging along at 5 mph tops, and still wobbling like crazy. The debris and vegetation is not near as bad as the previous owner. Crossings are in better shape. There is only so much that can be done with a roadbed that has been neglected for so long, and more crap ties than marginal ties.
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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby jrgerber » Tue May 21, 2019 7:58 pm

Pioneer Railcorp is being acquired by BRX Transportation Holdings
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Re: Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

Unread postby wildcatsa1fan » Thu May 30, 2019 11:16 am

Little oops east of Woodburn, In. They've been working to fix it for a week and a half.
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