Re: Wheeling & Lake Erie stuff
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:59 pm
nice pics Josh..
The Trains Mag article from a few years ago talked about these 85 car unit trains with NS. I can't recall if they carry feed for southern feed mills or soybeans for a plant on NS.Bellevue_Guy wrote:Took that while walking on the trail today. While I was out there I got passed by one of those NS grain/agri trains, first time I've seen one in motion. It was moving slowly WB down Yeomans siding around 4:15pm and had about 85 cars, all of which were 3 bay covered hoppers with NS logos. I still haven't seen where they go from the Lakeshore connection.
Bellevue_Guy wrote:Something I've noticed that's kind of funny is how different the Lake Shore and Brewster tracks look right now
(Both are owned by NS, but used by WLE)
The Brewster is normal looking, where as the Lake Shore is choked with high weeds and has been all year.
I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that one of those tracks sees traffic that is interchanged with NS, while the other sees traffic that is eventually interchanged with CN in a process that briefly clogs up some busy NS lines along the way.
None of their units would be considered heritage per se but the GP35's on their roster are former NS and NW units, they have some former Denver and Rio Grande Western units that still have their Rio Grande paint albeit touched up.57603oh wrote:Hi all!
First post to this forum so I'll intro myself. My name's Dan, I am from England but now living in Ohio with my wife near Bellevue. So being new to the American scene I may have a more questions at first (sorry!).
GP35 Norwalk Oh by danTRH, on Flickr
So a week or so ago I came across this in Norwalk Oh, GP35 108 running with an SD40 towards Bellevue. As it isn't standard or current, Does anyone know the deal with this livery?
Also is an GP35 considered heritage at all... or generally what is considered heritage. I say that as Wheeling and lake seem to run with some interesting locomotives.
Thanks to anyone who can help!
Dan
I guess what I mean by heritage is would if they were retired tomorrow be worthy of preservation/becoming museum pieces. Over in the UK there are older locomotives that are on active rosters but the number of them active is less that or at the most equal to the amount preserved. When I saw the GP35 I was stunned that it was on a train and thought I had seen something really rare. The history of the unit is dead interesting, but how do you guys keep up with all the renumbering? I get really lost with all the different private companies etc.MQT3001 wrote:Welcome to the board and to the US!
What do you mean by heritage? Do you mean the history of the unit, as in the railroads which previously owned it? Or the paint scheme being an old "heritage" scheme like the NS Heritage Fleet? Or maybe something else?
As far as unit history, that unit was built as Southern #2705 in December of 1964. Later ended up with Norfolk Southern through the Southern/Norfolk & Western merger and later became WE #2705 before being renumbered #108.
Here is a picture of it in Southern (8/11/82) http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2370757
And here as WE #2705 in Brewster (12/25/94) http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... x?id=10898
And then of course your picture shows the unit currently
That unit has a VERY short history compared to some units. GP35s are COMMON units, albeit not THE most popular.57603oh wrote:I guess what I mean by heritage is would if they were retired tomorrow be worthy of preservation/becoming museum pieces. Over in the UK there are older locomotives that are on active rosters but the number of them active is less that or at the most equal to the amount preserved. When I saw the GP35 I was stunned that it was on a train and thought I had seen something really rare. The history of the unit is dead interesting, but how do you guys keep up with all the renumbering? I get really lost with all the different private companies etc.MQT3001 wrote:Welcome to the board and to the US!
What do you mean by heritage? Do you mean the history of the unit, as in the railroads which previously owned it? Or the paint scheme being an old "heritage" scheme like the NS Heritage Fleet? Or maybe something else?
As far as unit history, that unit was built as Southern #2705 in December of 1964. Later ended up with Norfolk Southern through the Southern/Norfolk & Western merger and later became WE #2705 before being renumbered #108.
Here is a picture of it in Southern (8/11/82) http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2370757
And here as WE #2705 in Brewster (12/25/94) http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... x?id=10898
And then of course your picture shows the unit currently
It seems to me that the shortline frieght companies have a greater deal of interest in the way of older equipment being used.
Thanks for the welcome MQT3001!
I understand that there's a very beardy man who likes to pick up ladies for photos who's kinda peed right now he lost his private railway/franchiseMQT3001 wrote:That unit has a VERY short history compared to some units. GP35s are COMMON units, albeit not THE most popular.57603oh wrote:I guess what I mean by heritage is would if they were retired tomorrow be worthy of preservation/becoming museum pieces. Over in the UK there are older locomotives that are on active rosters but the number of them active is less that or at the most equal to the amount preserved. When I saw the GP35 I was stunned that it was on a train and thought I had seen something really rare. The history of the unit is dead interesting, but how do you guys keep up with all the renumbering? I get really lost with all the different private companies etc.
It seems to me that the shortline frieght companies have a greater deal of interest in the way of older equipment being used.
Thanks for the welcome MQT3001!
For the most part, preservation here in the states is for Steamers & Now early diesels, such as the F-units.
You guys don't understand the private enterprise railroads, but many of us don't get govt railroads and european model names!
I'll see if I can get a real long locomotive history for ya
Okay, I got a long one for ya:57603oh wrote:I guess what I mean by heritage is would if they were retired tomorrow be worthy of preservation/becoming museum pieces. Over in the UK there are older locomotives that are on active rosters but the number of them active is less that or at the most equal to the amount preserved. When I saw the GP35 I was stunned that it was on a train and thought I had seen something really rare. The history of the unit is dead interesting, but how do you guys keep up with all the renumbering? I get really lost with all the different private companies etc.MQT3001 wrote:Welcome to the board and to the US!
What do you mean by heritage? Do you mean the history of the unit, as in the railroads which previously owned it? Or the paint scheme being an old "heritage" scheme like the NS Heritage Fleet? Or maybe something else?
As far as unit history, that unit was built as Southern #2705 in December of 1964. Later ended up with Norfolk Southern through the Southern/Norfolk & Western merger and later became WE #2705 before being renumbered #108.
Here is a picture of it in Southern (8/11/82) http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2370757
And here as WE #2705 in Brewster (12/25/94) http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... x?id=10898
And then of course your picture shows the unit currently
It seems to me that the shortline frieght companies have a greater deal of interest in the way of older equipment being used.
Thanks for the welcome MQT3001!
So how do ya keep track of locomotives over here then? like to find those histories?MQT3001 wrote:Okay, I got a long one for ya:57603oh wrote:I guess what I mean by heritage is would if they were retired tomorrow be worthy of preservation/becoming museum pieces. Over in the UK there are older locomotives that are on active rosters but the number of them active is less that or at the most equal to the amount preserved. When I saw the GP35 I was stunned that it was on a train and thought I had seen something really rare. The history of the unit is dead interesting, but how do you guys keep up with all the renumbering? I get really lost with all the different private companies etc.MQT3001 wrote:Welcome to the board and to the US!
What do you mean by heritage? Do you mean the history of the unit, as in the railroads which previously owned it? Or the paint scheme being an old "heritage" scheme like the NS Heritage Fleet? Or maybe something else?
As far as unit history, that unit was built as Southern #2705 in December of 1964. Later ended up with Norfolk Southern through the Southern/Norfolk & Western merger and later became WE #2705 before being renumbered #108.
Here is a picture of it in Southern (8/11/82) http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=2370757
And here as WE #2705 in Brewster (12/25/94) http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... x?id=10898
And then of course your picture shows the unit currently
It seems to me that the shortline frieght companies have a greater deal of interest in the way of older equipment being used.
Thanks for the welcome MQT3001!
Lake State Railway #4302 [GP40-3]
- Built as New York Central [NYC] #3095 in November of 1967. Builder Number 33506
- Became Penn Central [PC] #3095
- Became Conrail [CR] #3095
- Became Kyle Railroad [KYLE] #3114
- Became Helm Locomotive Leasing [HLLX] #3114
- Became Amtrak [AMTK] #653
- Became Helm Locomotive Leasing [HLCX] #653 -> Renumbered to HLCX 4412 -> Renumbered to HLCX 4302
- Became Lake State Railway [LSRC] #4302
8 different owners....and I guaruntee you this isn't the longest out there
*falls over backwards in chair with drop jaw... eyes rolled and fainted*MQT3001 wrote:I don't know who does it, I just find it. There are a lot of websites where you can find that type of info, but here is where I got the LSRC 4302: http://www.thedieselshop.us/