Napoleon, Defiance and Western: The Definitive Thread

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Passed obvious signs of work (ballast dump truck on the main) on July 26th somewhere west of Defiance coming back on US 24.

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Any updates on operations or repairs?

Thanks.

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Initially there was a lot of work that was done (ties and some rail replacement) I believe work continues in spots but the work has slowed.
I caught a 2 car train "pounding" the diamond yesterday and tank car and a hopper car headed west. I don't catch derailments like I used
to so things have improved...

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Evidence of track work forthcoming at the elevator switch in Liberty Center today, and a crew working today at the I&O crossing, possibly reinstalling the diamond.

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There's 64 pages to this thread so it would take a long time to find this answer. Does the elevator in LC truck to another site for loading into rail cars?
MSchwiebert wrote:Evidence of track work forthcoming at the elevator switch in Liberty Center today, and a crew working today at the I&O crossing, possibly reinstalling the diamond.
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Yes, they can do 90 car trains at Hamler and have direct CSX access.
AARR wrote:There's 64 pages to this thread so it would take a long time to find this answer. Does the elevator in LC truck to another site for loading into rail cars?
MSchwiebert wrote:Evidence of track work forthcoming at the elevator switch in Liberty Center today, and a crew working today at the I&O crossing, possibly reinstalling the diamond.

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Thanks, MSchwiebert. So is it likely that the work at the LC elevator is so they can resume rail service?
MSchwiebert wrote:Yes, they can do 90 car trains at Hamler and have direct CSX access.
AARR wrote:There's 64 pages to this thread so it would take a long time to find this answer. Does the elevator in LC truck to another site for loading into rail cars?
MSchwiebert wrote:Evidence of track work forthcoming at the elevator switch in Liberty Center today, and a crew working today at the I&O crossing, possibly reinstalling the diamond.
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I am also very interested to hear if they're reactivating the line past the I&O diamond.

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No grain loading at Liberty Center as it would cost them more than trucking it to Hamler. Someone is interested in unloading stone at Liberty Center using the grain elevator siding.

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Will the crossing need to be rebuilt at 109? It must be a decent stone unloading for the diamond and track maintenance.

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I didn't see any evidence of work east of route 109. With the elevator not using the track at all, I'd think that 10-15 car cuts could easily be accommodated using the two tracks that exist currently west of route 109.

bluestreak81 wrote:Will the crossing need to be rebuilt at 109? It must be a decent stone unloading for the diamond and track maintenance.

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Could Diamond Plastics ever come back online? It looks like they were an active customer in the 90s according to Google historical views.
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Not real sure if this company is still in business.

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MSchwiebert wrote:I didn't see any evidence of work east of route 109. With the elevator not using the track at all, I'd think that 10-15 car cuts could easily be accommodated using the two tracks that exist currently west of route 109.

bluestreak81 wrote:Will the crossing need to be rebuilt at 109? It must be a decent stone unloading for the diamond and track maintenance.
Not trying to be funny, but is stone traffic going to really strain that marginal track? I know they are upgrading, but seems like it would require much more work on the track to keep those loads on the rails?
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For what it's worth, the plastic plant is still in business and a Pioneer crew was putting new crossbucks up at the first crossing west of the plastics plant (east of the 109 crossing) today.

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Where would this inbound be coming from? Cecil quarry?

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Any quarry in North America with rail service.
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bluestreak81 wrote:Will the crossing need to be rebuilt at 109? It must be a decent stone unloading for the diamond and track maintenance.
Looking at Google Street View, the 109 crossing looks pretty darn nice- Nice pavement and flangeways anyway. Last updated in 2013- did they pull it since?
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TC Man wrote: Looking at Google Street View, the 109 crossing looks pretty darn nice- Nice pavement and flangeways anyway. Last updated in 2013- did they pull it since?
TC Man: This was the response I received last November when I had asked about the 109 crossing in Liberty Center.
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The rails are paved over, the crossing signals are removed, and trains don't go there anymore.

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That's half right. The rails are not paved over - but the flashers are long gone. With the other crossings in town getting new crossbucks (some also with stop signs), I don't know what the intent is. I'm not sure if a crossing that had lights can be "regressed" to just a crossbucks without getting the proper "regulators" (PUCO and their ilk) involved.

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