NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby arty flowers » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:00 pm

Stay tuned, new cracker plants are opening and more are planned for the area...And many railroads will get in on them.
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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby OSRR » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:49 pm

arty flowers wrote:Stay tuned, new cracker plants are opening and more are planned for the area...And many railroads will get in on them.



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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby arty flowers » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:42 am

Like this joint venture that's coming to Dilles Bottom Ohio, Will be served by NS,

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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby midland sub » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:06 pm

arty flowers wrote:Stay tuned, new cracker plants are opening and more are planned for the area...And many railroads will get in on them.


You’re talking about a process that requires natural gas. The line in question is on the fringe of the proven reserves, so with a third in the area of the proven reserves under construction, what makes you speculate on the potential for one on the KNWA?

As for traffic, the coal mine at Burr Oak is nearing the end as the OC coal trains will end once the Coshocton power plant shuts down next May. The small grain elevator at Thurston shut down as the operator went bankrupt- NS owns the property and probably won’t lease it out again in relation for the KNWA-OC doing a short lived corn shuttle for the Coshocton ethanol plant. Coal mine on the WV side closed and coal traffic cut in half on the WV side. Coal was going north on the Ohio side about once a week. They did develop a new traffic source- fly ash from a local power plant is loaded at Hobson. Line is still basically what it’s been the last 10 years minus some of the coal traffic. Just now it’s slowly falling apart as a typical Watco marginal operation
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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby arty flowers » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:46 pm

Fine I should've said I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. because I have no idea what the north end of the KNWA has planned. As as far as those other little things going I put them somewhere else.
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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby OSRR » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:56 pm

midland sub wrote:
arty flowers wrote:Stay tuned, new cracker plants are opening and more are planned for the area...And many railroads will get in on them.


You’re talking about a process that requires natural gas. The line in question is on the fringe of the proven reserves, so with a third in the area of the proven reserves under construction, what makes you speculate on the potential for one on the KNWA?

As for traffic, the coal mine at Burr Oak is nearing the end as the OC coal trains will end once the Coshocton power plant shuts down next May. The small grain elevator at Thurston shut down as the operator went bankrupt- NS owns the property and probably won’t lease it out again in relation for the KNWA-OC doing a short lived corn shuttle for the Coshocton ethanol plant. Coal mine on the WV side closed and coal traffic cut in half on the WV side. Coal was going north on the Ohio side about once a week. They did develop a new traffic source- fly ash from a local power plant is loaded at Hobson. Line is still basically what it’s been the last 10 years minus some of the coal traffic. Just now it’s slowly falling apart as a typical Watco marginal operation



I don't think KNWA saw any traffic from Burr Oak.

What mine shut down? Last I knew, High Power (Cornelia), "Deepwater" (Page, WV), Mammoth, and Quincy (at Dickinson) were loading.

Wasnt fly ash already being loaded at Nitro?
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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby arty flowers » Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:27 pm

What about that methanol plant that was being built in Institute West Virginia. Is it online yet?
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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby Y@ » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:51 am

arty flowers wrote:Fine I should've said I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. because I have no idea what the north end of the KNWA has planned. As as far as those other little things going I put them somewhere else.


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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby midland sub » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:23 am

arty flowers wrote:What about that methanol plant that was being built in Institute West Virginia. Is it online yet?


As much effort and time you put into finding business development stuff rail related or not, I would have thought at some point a map of Ohio's gas and oil producing regions would have crossed your path.....

Yes, last someone posted, construction had begun. It's parts of a plant from I believe Brazil that's being taken apart and shipped in. As for the traffic once it starts, people that know more about it, say it's mostly or entirely going to move by barge. If production was strictly moving outbound by rail, which it sounds like it will not, the plant at most would generate about 1700 cars a year. At some point there's going to have to be a major effort to develop non coal traffic for the line.
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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby midland sub » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:03 am

OSRR wrote:
I don't think KNWA saw any traffic from Burr Oak.

What mine shut down? Last I knew, High Power (Cornelia), "Deepwater" (Page, WV), Mammoth, and Quincy (at Dickinson) were loading.

Wasnt fly ash already being loaded at Nitro?


Pinnacle was the mine company so I believe that was Deepwater. I see pics of the Mammoth trains quite a bit. High Power loaded a few trains in the beginning of the year, but I believe that they are close to being mined out. Quincy seems to load the trains that end up going north- first half of the year seem to be Burns Harbor and then they switch to Sandusky. FWIW the current coal traffic of 12-15 a month total is what Watco had projected from the start, they lucked out and it doubled for about a year and then dropped back down. That's why the CEFX SD60s left.

Not sure about the Nitro fly ash.
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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby arty flowers » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:57 pm

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arty flowers wrote:Fine I should've said I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. because I have no idea what the north end of the KNWA has planned. As as far as those other little things going I put them somewhere else.


You are such a baby.


That's ok, your name calling doesn't really matter to me anymore. because I got a fb rr group page of my own Im in charge of and nobody calls me names or makes fun of me. I love it and Im in control. And I don't have to worry about you joining, because I know you wont come around anyway.
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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby arty flowers » Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:06 pm

midland sub wrote:
arty flowers wrote:What about that methanol plant that was being built in Institute West Virginia. Is it online yet?


As much effort and time you put into finding business development stuff rail related or not, I would have thought at some point a map of Ohio's gas and oil producing regions would have crossed your path.....

Yes, last someone posted, construction had begun. It's parts of a plant from I believe Brazil that's being taken apart and shipped in. As for the traffic once it starts, people that know more about it, say it's mostly or entirely going to move by barge. If production was strictly moving outbound by rail, which it sounds like it will not, the plant at most would generate about 1700 cars a year. At some point there's going to have to be a major effort to develop non coal traffic for the line.


Yes Mark I am well aware of where the gas and oil fields are and everything seems to be to the north and the east. Im not sure what the next thing for KNWA to haul but it will take some to develop just like everything else around that area. They only see a nibble. And about my site that I created for myself, other than that weirdo William Littrell, nobody has given me any problems and I enjoy having people from all across the spectrum of transportation on my site. I just like to meet people who share a common interest such as myself.
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Re: NS West Virginia Secondary-Columbus Oh to Alloy WV

Unread postby heartlandguy » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:56 pm

arty flowers wrote:
Y@ wrote:
arty flowers wrote:Fine I should've said I don't know my ass from a hole in the ground. because I have no idea what the north end of the KNWA has planned. As as far as those other little things going I put them somewhere else.


You are such a baby.


That's ok, your name calling doesn't really matter to me anymore. because I got a fb rr group page of my own Im in charge of and nobody calls me names or makes fun of me. I love it and Im in control. And I don't have to worry about you joining, because I know you wont come around anyway.


Good for you, don't let it go to your head.

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Disappointing to hear the coal traffic is stumbling a bit on the KNWA. Was just thinking about this line the other day. In retrospect, I was surprised they picked up the ex-VGN south of Charleston in the first place. Seemed like such a high maintenance price for a traffic source that is (to put kindly) really ebbing and flowing. 12-15 trains a month isn't horrible though. As for attracting new business on the northward section, well, there really isn't much that part has to offer either. The best bets of developing any new industry is in the Columbus or Charleston regions. They have a good base in Charleston already, but they need to take the means necessary to keep it and grow it, as I really don't see a big time traffic source locating to a place like Athens or Glouster.

For some added substance, here's a shot of a 381 near Rushville from two years ago. Long trains and SD45 carbodies go together nicely...
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