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Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby Joshua Niederkohr » Sat Jul 08, 2017 3:41 pm

On Saturday evenings at 6p.m. where and when do they run? Please give me a run down of Saturday evening operations. I'm going to Napoleon tonight at 6p.m. Any video made will be posted on my youtube channel DARAILROADKID. Please subscribe for great content media:)
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby ~Z~ » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:42 pm

I don't think they normally run on Saturdays, and not in the evening last I knew. Lolz, asking for info an hour before you arrive... When you get back, give us a rundown of what you saw moving and where, and more than likely, what you saw parked.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby Joshua Niederkohr » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:27 pm

On any given day what is the usual schedule for all the locomotives across the whole line including the Cecil branch. I would like to railfan this for my youtube channel DARAILROADKID. Times, locations, and streets/roads are needed info. All replies are greatly appreciated. Thank You in advance. :D
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby jimnorthwood » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:42 am

Schedule? They run M-F. Follow US24 and you can't miss them, as the line is in full view from the highway in most places. Start in Napoleon and work your way west. Their yard and office is in Defiance. There is more activity on the section from Defiance to Woodburn now, as some of the interchange that used to take place with CSX in Defiance is now done with NS at Woodburn.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby JoJames » Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:07 pm

When customer service is number one. Operations vary every day.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby jrgerber » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:15 am

What is the status of current rehabilitation activities on the line? Are they done with all that they can do currently without additional grants? How is the on line traffic in terms of volume? Current locomotive roster on site?
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby jimnorthwood » Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:29 am

I haven't been there since last fall, but I suspect maintenance is ongoing, grants or not. They have done a lot of work, and there is always more to do. In terms of traffic, I recall reading an annual report for Pioneer a couple of years ago that noted about 2,000 cars annually were shipped on the ND&W. When I was there last fall power was the three GP 16's, one GP20, and the still in Gettysburg paint GP9, which didn't seem to get used very often. The NW2 had been shipped elsewhere.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby jrgerber » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:21 am

Thanks!
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby Plannerdad » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:54 am

On our annual railfaning trip to northern Ohio and Indiana, my brother and I caught an ND&W train in Napoleon around 4:00pm on Friday 8/4, WB I think. It had one locomotive and 10 boxcars, mostly reefer's. The track looked rough, like Penn Central in Michigan in the 70's, but it looked like they were making efforts to improve it.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby jimnorthwood » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:02 pm

ND&W serves two cold storage places (Cloverleaf and Interstate) that are in the industrial park in Napoleon, at the far east end of the line. One or both get tomato paste in hi-cube boxcars, as well as vegetables in the reefers you saw. All of this product is then trucked to Campbell's in Napoleon. There is also a place in the industrial park that makes drain tile, that receives plastic pellets. Also, the trans-load firm in Liberty Center that received or shipped refractory brick, relocated from there to Napoleon. They didn't do a lot of business with the railroad when they were located in LC.There is also one other customer in Napoleon that gets cars from time to time, but I don't know what they are or do.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby MSchwiebert » Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:29 am

Oldcastle Enclosures also receives carloads of plastic pellets. They make enclosures/vaults that would be used for valving for lawn watering systems, cable TV junction boxes etc.

https://oldcastleenclosures.com/brand/carson/
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby Plannerdad » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:19 pm

Thanks. Sounds like a good traffic base for a smaller short-line.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby jrgerber » Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:40 am

Any grain or farm related traffic on the line?

When I grew up here most of the farmers grew tomatoes for Campbell's and there was a large migrant worker population. It seems now most of the farmers in the area have switched to grain crops.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby AARR » Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:30 am

Seems like there is at least one feed mill on the east end and maybe another on the west

When I grew up here most of the farmers grew tomatoes for Campbell's and there was a large migrant worker population. It seems now most of the farmers in the area have switched to grain crops.[/quote]
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby MSchwiebert » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:23 am

A few smaller elevators on the line (Antwerp & Jewell for example) will get service. As for the crops for Campbell's there's a couple of farmers in the Napoleon area that continue to grow vegetables for Campbell's - but they went to mechanized harvesting years ago, as have almost all of the tomato growers in the immediate area.

jrgerber wrote:Any grain or farm related traffic on the line?

When I grew up here most of the farmers grew tomatoes for Campbell's and there was a large migrant worker population. It seems now most of the farmers in the area have switched to grain crops.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby wildcatsa1fan » Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:16 am

Antwerp and Woodburn no longer use the rail. The expense to put in safety cages was to much, they both use trucks now. Antwerp is used for storage of excess rail cars now.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby jhnmummert » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:37 pm

Is there still through service from the Ft. Wayne area to the Defiance area?
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby JoJames » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:58 pm

jrgerber wrote:Any grain or farm related traffic on the line?

When I grew up here most of the farmers grew tomatoes for Campbell's and there was a large migrant worker population. It seems now most of the farmers in the area have switched to grain crops.



Campbell's did away with all its contracted tomato growers in the mid eighties. Supposedly cheaper to ship tomato paste in from Mexico and California.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby JoJames » Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:01 pm

wildcatsa1fan wrote:Antwerp and Woodburn no longer use the rail. The expense to put in safety cages was to much, they both use trucks now. Antwerp is used for storage of excess rail cars now.


Both of these locations belong to a larger Co-Op that loads unit grain trains on the former Erie west of Lima. Also that area is heavy with livestock and most of the corn will be used for feed.
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Re: Napoleon Defiance & Western railfanning

Unread postby MSchwiebert » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:03 pm

Makes sense, haven't been out that way in quite a while.

wildcatsa1fan wrote:Antwerp and Woodburn no longer use the rail. The expense to put in safety cages was to much, they both use trucks now. Antwerp is used for storage of excess rail cars now.
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