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Unread postby ES44AH » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:04 pm

As you may or maynot know, the M&N uses the former B&O, at least the original portion. In keeping with this, i am asking if it is ok if i aquire or use the B&O line from Pittsburg to Chicago. Please PM me, or post to the M&N thread. This is the last expansion of the M&N.
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Re: Asking Permission

Unread postby Saturnalia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:15 pm

Please just post here....

I'm not sure if anyone uses the B&O...if it's open it's okay to use it. Just remember Barr belongs to CSX, no matter what :wink:
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Re: Asking Permission

Unread postby ES44AH » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:16 pm

sorry for asking, whats Barr?
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Unread postby Saturnalia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:18 pm

ES44AH wrote:sorry for asking, whats Barr?

Barr Yard. Just reminding that Barr is off-limits to everyone.
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Unread postby ES44AH » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:24 pm

ok. we can go around Barr yard, unless it could be an interchange point.
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Unread postby DT&I » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:26 pm

You mean the Chicago line? How does CSX go from the east to Chicago? Is there another route? Just wondering?
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Re: Asking Permission

Unread postby ES44AH » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:27 pm

The B&O went thru Pittsburg and went west towards Chicago. The Capitol Limited went to Chicago.
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Unread postby DT&I » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:30 pm

ES44AH wrote:OOPS!!! Im sorry, I meant St,Louis, not Chicago.

Wait the Big Four or the B&O?
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Unread postby ES44AH » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:32 pm

The B&O to Chicago, I realized what i typed, but posted accidently
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Unread postby Saturnalia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:38 pm

I say you can have it, but you must let CSX have trackage rights, since they have no real other way to access their NE properties.

Barr Yard is one of CSX's main yards in Chicago. I'm drawing a blank right now on whether it's C&O or B&O :oops:
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Unread postby ES44AH » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:43 pm

could it be a joint yard?
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Unread postby DT&I » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:44 pm

MQT3001 wrote:I say you can have it, but you must let CSX have trackage rights, since they have no real other way to access their NE properties.

Barr Yard is one of CSX's main yards in Chicago. I'm drawing a blank right now on whether it's C&O or B&O :oops:

IT'S B&O, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT lol
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Re: Asking Permission

Unread postby ES44AH » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:49 pm

Here's an idea, The Chicago line is the only way CSX can get stuff to Barr, Well, the M&N could pick up CSX trains at Barr at ahnd them off to CSX somewhere east, like a bridge line.
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Unread postby Saturnalia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:51 pm

ES44AH wrote:Here's an idea, The Chicago line is the only way CSX can get stuff to Barr, Well, the M&N could pick up CSX trains at Barr at ahnd them off to CSX somewhere east, like a bridge line.

Go ahead. CSX would have to operate some stuff out of there, like traffic to the south. Also, you'd become a direct interchange partner with the Monon & Marquette :shock:

I have no objections if the above happened.
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Unread postby DT&I » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:55 pm

ES44AH wrote:Here's an idea, The Chicago line is the only way CSX can get stuff to Barr, Well, the M&N could pick up CSX trains at Barr at ahnd them off to CSX somewhere east, like a bridge line.

But then deshler will be packed with even more foam to see your steam engines. I say we blow up the town before drown in foam. Lol Jk but just so you know bridge routes are incredibly obsolete. Look at the DT&I, with the NS merger in 1982 they could just go to Toledo and Detroit and bypass the DT&I. SOU was gone which meant that the CNO&TP tracks were linked to Detroit. I think CSX merger had something to do with it but I can't remember how.
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Unread postby Saturnalia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:10 pm

DT&I wrote:
ES44AH wrote:Here's an idea, The Chicago line is the only way CSX can get stuff to Barr, Well, the M&N could pick up CSX trains at Barr at ahnd them off to CSX somewhere east, like a bridge line.

But then deshler will be packed with even more foam to see your steam engines. I say we blow up the town before drown in foam. Lol Jk but just so you know bridge routes are incredibly obsolete. Look at the DT&I, with the NS merger in 1982 they could just go to Toledo and Detroit and bypass the DT&I. SOU was gone which meant that the CNO&TP tracks were linked to Detroit. I think CSX merger had something to do with it but I can't remember how.

M&N owned, CSX trackage rights, huge brick wall as deshler, end of story.
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Re: Asking Permission

Unread postby DT&I » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:11 pm

MQT3001 wrote:
DT&I wrote:
ES44AH wrote:Here's an idea, The Chicago line is the only way CSX can get stuff to Barr, Well, the M&N could pick up CSX trains at Barr at ahnd them off to CSX somewhere east, like a bridge line.

But then deshler will be packed with even more foam to see your steam engines. I say we blow up the town before drown in foam. Lol Jk but just so you know bridge routes are incredibly obsolete. Look at the DT&I, with the NS merger in 1982 they could just go to Toledo and Detroit and bypass the DT&I. SOU was gone which meant that the CNO&TP tracks were linked to Detroit. I think CSX merger had something to do with it but I can't remember how.

M&N owned, CSX trackage rights, huge brick wall as deshler, end of story.

Not end of story, I don't like the wall idea...
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Unread postby Saturnalia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:38 pm

Wall of foam. Take your pick :wink:
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Unread postby heartlandguy » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:05 am

DT&I wrote:
ES44AH wrote:Here's an idea, The Chicago line is the only way CSX can get stuff to Barr, Well, the M&N could pick up CSX trains at Barr at ahnd them off to CSX somewhere east, like a bridge line.

But then deshler will be packed with even more foam to see your steam engines. I say we blow up the town before drown in foam. Lol Jk but just so you know bridge routes are incredibly obsolete. Look at the DT&I, with the NS merger in 1982 they could just go to Toledo and Detroit and bypass the DT&I. SOU was gone which meant that the CNO&TP tracks were linked to Detroit. I think CSX merger had something to do with it but I can't remember how.


I believe the DT&I/GTW really started to dry up when both the N&W/SOU and Chessie/SBD mergers happened in the 80s. Both the Southern and the Seaboard sent a pretty good amount of traffic up the DT&I to Detroit. When the mergers happened, it started to fizzle. There were still a couple of pretty good size trains running, but it was bridge traffic to and from NS.

Back to the topic, I have no problem with this acquisition. The Monon (CIL) would be happy to interchange with you in Chicago, or even south of Michigan City, at a spot called Alida. We can get traffic to Louisville, Indianapolis, and other locations in Indiana.
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Re: Asking Permission

Unread postby DT&I » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:07 am

MQT3001 wrote:Wall of foam. Take your pick :wink:

I still say we blow it up lol
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