Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby C&O6088 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:14 pm

TC Man wrote:Ah, wonder if they dropped the empty, went to Williamsburg, and then went back to Beacon to get the now loaded car, or did they drop an empty and pick up a load?


I think your first thought seems to be right as I was in TC yesterday and there was not a car at Beacon.

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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby AANscaleRunner » Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:04 am

395 and 396 leaving Cadillac for Clare at 1050 with: 6 tie loads, 1 box, 13 tanks and 1 scrap.
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby AANscaleRunner » Fri Jul 28, 2017 5:59 pm

396 and 395 return at 1750 with: 2 coke hoppers, 1 covered hopper, 2 tanks, 2 wood chip hoppers, 1 covered hopper, 3 tie gons, 1 cement hopper, 2 tie gons, 1 pole flat, 2 cement hoppers, 3 tanks, 2 feed hoppers and 2 tanks.
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby MiRailProductions » Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:39 pm

Todd_F wrote:Questions for the experts;

Where might one expect GLC to stop along the way (if there are any stops) on the TC turn, and the Elmira/Petosky turn? I'm considering shooting both in the near future and would love as much information as possible before making the treks. I've already documented everything from Osmer to Cadillac, including the Middleton Branch, so these two lines seem logical. What speeds do they travel? Do they have small to modest trains or just one or two pieces of rolling stock?

Oh, and what is the story behind that GIANT "150" made of trees in Kalkaska???

THANK YOU for any help and info!


Sorry for the late reply... but the TC train usually runs 1-3 cars, sometimes a couple more if Amerhart is busy. In Traverse City, on the branch to Williamsburg, and on the Grawn Branch, the speed is 10mph, I think they go a bit faster south of TC but I'm not completely sure. The Elmira/Petoskey run can consist of anywhere from a modest train of only a half dozen or so cars to a 20+ car train. I know that north of Cadillac the track speed is 40mph. The track speed on the main north of Manton to Petoskey varies, some areas they can run 40mph, others only 25mph. This is only based on what I've gathered by watching videos and seeing them trackside. Not all of this info may be correct, but I hope it helps. And the "150" is kinda neat, I found it as well. I think it's a local trying to be funny or something.
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby TC Man » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:37 pm

MiRailProductions wrote:
Todd_F wrote:Questions for the experts;

Where might one expect GLC to stop along the way (if there are any stops) on the TC turn, and the Elmira/Petosky turn? I'm considering shooting both in the near future and would love as much information as possible before making the treks. I've already documented everything from Osmer to Cadillac, including the Middleton Branch, so these two lines seem logical. What speeds do they travel? Do they have small to modest trains or just one or two pieces of rolling stock?

Oh, and what is the story behind that GIANT "150" made of trees in Kalkaska???

THANK YOU for any help and info!


Sorry for the late reply... but the TC train usually runs 1-3 cars, sometimes a couple more if Amerhart is busy. In Traverse City, on the branch to Williamsburg, and on the Grawn Branch, the speed is 10mph, I think they go a bit faster south of TC but I'm not completely sure. The Elmira/Petoskey run can consist of anywhere from a modest train of only a half dozen or so cars to a 20+ car train. I know that north of Cadillac the track speed is 40mph. The track speed on the main north of Manton to Petoskey varies, some areas they can run 40mph, others only 25mph. This is only based on what I've gathered by watching videos and seeing them trackside. Not all of this info may be correct, but I hope it helps. And the "150" is kinda neat, I found it as well. I think it's a local trying to be funny or something.


The "150" is not someone trying to be funny. It was done on the 150th anniversary of the state several years ago.
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby Todd_F » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:15 am

Thanks for the replies and info guys. It's very much appreciated!

Right on schedule, 395 & 396 departed Notth Yard for Selma Yard at 8am. I'll be chasing this run again today.
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby SD80MAC » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:03 am

On my drive home from up north yesterday, no cars were seen in Petoskey, Mancelona, or Kalkaska. This was the first time I've ever not seen any hoppers in Petoskey.
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby AARR » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:32 am

No cars in Petoskey! I wonder what's up? Think it might have something to do with the new transload on LSRC in Gaylord?
SD80MAC wrote:On my drive home from up north yesterday, no cars were seen in Petoskey, Mancelona, or Kalkaska. This was the first time I've ever not seen any hoppers in Petoskey.
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby GP-35 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:56 am

You must be looking in the wrong spot, there is 15 plastic cars in Petoskey and more in North Yard ready to come north. You also missed the cement terminal in Elmira, last Tuesday there was 17 EMTS and 20 loads of cement.
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby AANscaleRunner » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:28 am

Leaving Cadillac for Clare at 1020.
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby MiRailProductions » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:09 am

TC Man wrote:
MiRailProductions wrote:Sorry for the late reply... but the TC train usually runs 1-3 cars, sometimes a couple more if Amerhart is busy. In Traverse City, on the branch to Williamsburg, and on the Grawn Branch, the speed is 10mph, I think they go a bit faster south of TC but I'm not completely sure. The Elmira/Petoskey run can consist of anywhere from a modest train of only a half dozen or so cars to a 20+ car train. I know that north of Cadillac the track speed is 40mph. The track speed on the main north of Manton to Petoskey varies, some areas they can run 40mph, others only 25mph. This is only based on what I've gathered by watching videos and seeing them trackside. Not all of this info may be correct, but I hope it helps. And the "150" is kinda neat, I found it as well. I think it's a local trying to be funny or something.


The "150" is not someone trying to be funny. It was done on the 150th anniversary of the state several years ago.


Ah, okay. I wasn't quite sure.
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby SD80MAC » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:09 am

GP-35 wrote:You must be looking in the wrong spot, there is 15 plastic cars in Petoskey and more in North Yard ready to come north. You also missed the cement terminal in Elmira, last Tuesday there was 17 EMTS and 20 loads of cement.

I was, I was looking at the wrong siding. Didn't notice the cement in Elmira because 131 doesn't get that close!
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby Todd_F » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:33 am

CSTN through Marion at 11:22
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby csx801 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:44 am

Great Lakes Central North through Mount Pleasant 11:35

GLC 398 Leading
GLC 399

2 plastics hoppers
2 tanks
21 tie gons
1 wood chip hopper
6 cement hoppers
3 LPG tanks

35 total
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby AANscaleRunner » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:52 pm

Today's train leaving Cadillac.

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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby csx801 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:22 pm

Great Lakes Central South through Mount Pleasant at 14:15

GLC 399 leading
GLC 398

5 plastics hoppers
2 wood chip loads
2 hoppers
1 coke empty
2 tanks

12 total
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby AANscaleRunner » Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:47 pm

Returned to Cadillac at 1515.

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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby AARR » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:14 pm

From AANR's video the 21 tie gons didn't go to Cadillac like they normally do. They left them somewhere else. The customer is in McBain but it's a southbound switch and there's no passing in siding to run around the cars that I know of. I wonder if they separated the engines and pushed them in the customers spur :?
csx801 wrote:Great Lakes Central North through Mount Pleasant 11:35

GLC 398 Leading
GLC 399

2 plastics hoppers
2 tanks
21 tie gons
1 wood chip hopper
6 cement hoppers
3 LPG tanks

35 total
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby Todd_F » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:53 pm

AANscaleRunner wrote:Today's train leaving Cadillac.

LOL! He wasn't nearly as long as I'd hoped he'd be. I'm curious if any of that car kicking was for tomorrow's train (north)?

Here's when and where I caught him.
8:00 Depart North Yard
10:14 Depart Selma Yard
10:28 Seeley Rd
10:41 Arrive McBain
11:22 Marion
11:52 Lake George (store stop)
12:26 Farwell
12:37 Arrive Clare
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Re: Great Lakes Central Updates July 2017

Unread postby csx801 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:13 pm

AARR wrote:From AANR's video the 21 tie gons didn't go to Cadillac like they normally do. They left them somewhere else. The customer is in McBain but it's a southbound switch and there's no passing in siding to run around the cars that I know of. I wonder if they separated the engines and pushed them in the customers spur :?


They leave cuts of tie loads around periodically. I've seen them leave loads in mount pleasant for short times. Maybe this is what happened today?
I never figured out why they do it. I always assumed McBain or Cadillac was too full to receive them, so they drop them on an available siding until Mcbain was ready for them.

On a side note, that cut had a clinchfield hopper hiding in it.
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