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First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby NSSD70ACe » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:31 pm

California DOT released a PDF containing the first look of what Siemens has designed for the single level coaches and cab cars that will be used both here in the Midwest and the West Coast. Production is supposed to start this summer (at least for CA cars).

http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/transprog/ctcb ... ailcar.pdf

One thing I noticed is that it doesn't appear that the coaches have the Dutch-style doors that the current cars have. Will this be an issue for conductors during arrivals and departures?
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby SD80MAC » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:16 am

I like how the cab cars look just like the Chargers, that will make for a nice looking train set. As far as the dutch doors go, maybe that will be addressed before production?

Also, does anyone know if these cars are going to be able to be hauled by older locomotives? I've seen quite a few comments around the net saying they are only able to be coupled to the Chargers. Seems shortsighted and inflexible?
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby hoborich » Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:38 pm

Seems shortsighted and inflexible?


Not if you are trying to sell them a couple spare locos. :lol:
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby PerRock » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:20 pm

SD80MAC wrote:Also, does anyone know if these cars are going to be able to be hauled by older locomotives? I've seen quite a few comments around the net saying they are only able to be coupled to the Chargers. Seems shortsighted and inflexible?


Why would they not be able to? The Chargers can haul existing cars, so the couplers, electrics, etc would all be the same.

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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby SD80MAC » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:25 am

You would think so, but I’ve seen several comments to the contrary.
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby DaveO » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:10 am

But you know that the Chargers are out there today with tightlock couplers hauling the various Amtrak cars.

For that rumor to be true, California, Washington and the Midwest groups would all have to remove the current tightlock couplers that are on the Chargers.
Then they would have to pay to retrofit them with the rumored incompatible coupler.

What isn't a rumor is that the Brightline Chargers use a non-standard type of coupling on the rear to connect with the Brightline Siemens built cars which are semi-permanently coupled together.

But that's only the Brightline engines and cars. Nobody else's.

What makes a viral rumor? Something that has a little bit of fact to hide the loads of wild conjecture.
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby SousaKerry » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:10 pm

Not only all that but they would also have to be hauled in by flat car or by truck as they would not be interchangeable on the US rail system. That is not a small shipping bill to add on at the end of the order.
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby Saturnalia » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:26 pm

SousaKerry wrote:Not only all that but they would also have to be hauled in by flat car or by truck as they would not be interchangeable on the US rail system. That is not a small shipping bill to add on at the end of the order.

There have been cases where equipment with non-standard couplers has been moved, either with temporary standard couplers or non-standard couplers on spacer cars.
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby DaveO » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:39 pm

Saturnalia wrote:
SousaKerry wrote:Not only all that but they would also have to be hauled in by flat car or by truck as they would not be interchangeable on the US rail system. That is not a small shipping bill to add on at the end of the order.

There have been cases where equipment with non-standard couplers has been moved, either with temporary standard couplers or non-standard couplers on spacer cars.


This link was how the BLE advised their members about doing the delivery of the Brightline trainsets.

http://blet5.com/2016/12/10/brightline-trains/
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby GreatLakesRailfan » Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:29 pm

Saturnalia wrote:
SousaKerry wrote:Not only all that but they would also have to be hauled in by flat car or by truck as they would not be interchangeable on the US rail system. That is not a small shipping bill to add on at the end of the order.

There have been cases where equipment with non-standard couplers has been moved, either with temporary standard couplers or non-standard couplers on spacer cars.


Metra's new electric equipment was built in Rochelle and moved over UP to delivery. A pair of flat cars with conversion couplers (one standard coupler and one specialty coupler) were placed on either end of each pair, allowing a standard freight locomotive to move the cars east for delivery. I doubt it would be that difficult to rig up something similar to deliver the Brightline cars.
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby SousaKerry » Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:08 am

I stand corrected.
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby GP30M4216 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:45 pm

One thing I noticed is that it doesn't appear that the coaches have the Dutch-style doors that the current cars have. Will this be an issue for conductors during arrivals and departures?


Only the Horizon equipment (and some elder Heritage cars, all now retired) run with "Dutch" style split doors. Superliners have hinged doors that open in. Amtrak Amfleets and even Via Renaissance equipment both have full-height, sliding doors. Each may have its own issues, but I think the doors proposed on the Siemens coaches will work fine.

Does anyone think that's a baggage compartment on the cab car between the cab section and the seating section? It would be nice to have that service return to Michigan service trains.
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Re: First look at the new Siemens coaches

Unread postby PerRock » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:34 pm

GP30M4216 wrote:Does anyone think that's a baggage compartment on the cab car between the cab section and the seating section? It would be nice to have that service return to Michigan service trains.


I'm leaning towards "no." Namely because there are vents in the roof above that section. If I had to guess it's some sort of electronics room, maybe a HEP generator or stuff to do with PTC systems. I could see it also being a regenerative braking system that feeds power back into the HEP system.

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