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Man, you would think these units could be "Sold" easily! CN should have gotten some more too!!!! They really don't seem too "OLD!!!!" I guess that's the way with GE locos!!!! :?
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There is a possibility that only the cabs, and not the entire locomotive is being scrapped out. GE did say they, not that they will, had plans to rebuilt the CSX C40-8s with newer and different cabs for reselling. This is what NS is doing with the former U.P. units they are rebuilding. Cabs only are being scrapped out by the dozens near Cresson.

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As far as age, the C40-8s were built 1988-1990. They're almost 30 years old...the "expiration" date for GEs.

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I remember when the (ghost toasters) first arrived. Yet the older EMD's live on!

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CSX Locomotive Roster Update As of 01 May 2017

All Roster Changes
1 CW44AC YN2 Repaint
53 CW44AC YN2 Repaint
534 CW44AH YN2 Repaint
550 CW44AH YN2 Repaint
669 CW60AC YN3 Repaint
843 ES44AH YN3 Repaint
2702 GP38-2 YN3 Repaint
7678 C40-8W YN2 Repaint
7720 C40-8W YN2 Repaint
7821 C40-8W YN2 Repaint
8421 SD40-2 YN3 Repaint
8528 SD50-2 YN3 Repaint

New Current Paint totals (pct), change:
YN3B: 1397 (32.32%), +12
YN3: 2245 (51.93%), -5
YN2: 681 (15.75%), -7

Built for totals (pct), change:
CSX Transportation: 2924
Seaboard System: 506
Conrail: 449
Chessie System: 408
Other [not from CSX tree]: 31
Misc Predecessors: 5

Builder totals (pct), change:
General Electric: 2207
Electro-Motive: 1488
CSX in-house: 235
Other: 393

Average Fleet Build Date*: 1996.17
Total Units on Roster: 4323
Total Available Horsepower: 14,882,900

*Build dates use whole years on the roster. Margin of error +/- 0.25 years

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Robertrains wrote: Man, you would think these units could be "Sold" easily!

157 were sold easily in 2016.

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Straightforward update this month. 20 Repaints for ya!

CSX Locomotive Roster Update As of 01 Jun 2017

All Roster Changes
9 CW44AC YN2 Repaint
160 CW44AC YN2 Repaint
345 CW44AC YN2 Repaint
429 CW44AC YN2 Repaint
477 CW44AC YN2 Repaint
495 CW44AH YN2 Repaint
566 CW44AH YN3 Repaint
1230 MP15T YN3 Repaint
2235 RDSLUG YN3 Repaint
5401 ES40DC YN3 Repaint
5407 ES40DC YN3 Repaint
5449 ES40DC YN3 Repaint
5454 ES40DC YN3 Repaint
5471 ES40DC YN3 Repaint
6419 GP40-2 YN3 Repaint
7689 C40-8W YN2 Repaint
7797 C40-8W YN2 Repaint
8217 SD40-2 YN3 Repaint
8014 SD40-2 YN3 Repaint
8315 SD40-2 YN3 Repaint

New Current Paint totals (pct), change:
YN3B: 1417 (32.78%), +20
YN3: 2233 (51.65%), -12
YN2: 673 (15.57%), -8

Built for totals, change:
CSX Transportation: 2924
Seaboard System: 506
Conrail: 449
Chessie System: 408
Other [not from CSX tree]: 31
Misc Predecessors: 5

Builder totals, change:
General Electric: 2207
Electro-Motive: 1488
CSX in-house: 235
Other: 393

Average Fleet Build Date*: 1996.17
Total Units on Roster: 4323
Total Available Horsepower: 14,882,900

*Build dates use whole years on the roster. Margin of error +/- 0.25 years

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Grapevine reports say that Harrison intends to store all Dash8s, Dash9s, SD70s, SD60s and SD50s (all variants thereof).

This would give us the following roster report, if these were all retired tomorrow. Not saying this is likely or anything, just a test case to play with some numbers.

All Roster Changes:
All C40-8W retired
All C40-9W retired
All SD70AE retired
All SD70AC retired
All SD70M retired
All SD60M retired
All SD60I retired
All SD60 retired
All SD50-3 retired
All SD50-2 retired

New Current Paint totals (pct), change:
YN3B: 1256 (37.09%), -165
YN3: 1698 (50.15%), -531
YN2: 432 (12.76%), -241

Built for totals, change:
CSX Transportation: 2379, -545
Seaboard System: 437, -69
Conrail: 215, -234
Chessie System: 347, -61
Other [not from CSX tree]: 5, -26
Misc Predecessors: 5

Builder totals, change:
General Electric: 1782, -425
Electro-Motive: 990, -498
CSX in-house: 221, -14
Other: 393

Average Fleet Build Date*: 1996.86, +0.69
Total Units on Roster: 3386, -937
Total Available Horsepower: 11,263,900, -3,619,000

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So while this is JUST a "worst-case" test of GRAPEVINE reports, it does show some interesting numbers which many of you are likely enjoying. Note that the changes would be evenly split between GE and EMD, with a 25% cut in total units and total horsepower. Conrail would be the biggest hit by predecessor, by far, due to the SD60s and C40-8Ws.

Again, all theoretical. While retirements can pretty much be expected, many of these units (thinking particularly the SD70s) could simply be stored long-term. Who knows. But what we do know is that CSX is grossly overpowered, and has been since the 300-unit GEVO order was completed and fewer than 300 units were retired. In the last five years, CSX has only retired the C40-8 and B40/20-8 fleets, which was fewer than 200 units.

I shouldn't have to add that CSX isn't going to be signing for new orders anytime soon!

The average build date on a C40-8W is in 1992. The C40-9Ws were built in 1993. The SD60 fleets also average to 1992. The SD50 fleet averages to 1986, and the SD70 fleet to 2001, the newest of the bunch by far.

Remember folks, the 90s weren't as recent as they used to be! 25 years on the Dash8s, Dash9s and SD60s, and 30 on the SD50s is NOT young in locomotive years. Stuff built after SD40-2s just weren't built to the tank and interchangeable standards are they had been before as technology became much, much more complex and computers entered the picture. Sure, pre-1980s cars are pretty much mechanically bulletproof as well. That doesn't mean your newest Big 3 product is, however!

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It appears as though the cost control under the "new regime" is beginning to take its toll on new locomotive repaint discoveries. Just 8 repaints is all we've got this month, all YN3 to YN3B editions.

CSX Locomotive Roster Update As of 01 Jul 2017

All Roster Changes
829 ES44AH YN3 Repaint
2242 RDSLUG YN3 Repaint
2256 RDSLUG YN3 Repaint
2380 RDSLUG YN3 Repaint
4675 SD70M YN3 Repaint
6440 GP40-2 YN3 Repaint
6980 GP40-2 YN3 Repaint
8626 SD50-2 YN3 Repaint


Rebuild Detail:
None

New Current Paint totals (pct), change:
YN3B: 1425 (32.96%), +8
YN3: 2225 (51.47%), -8
YN2: 673 (15.57%)

Built for totals, change:
CSX Transportation: 2924
Seaboard System: 506
Conrail: 449
Chessie System: 408
Other [not from CSX tree]: 31
Misc Predecessors: 5

Builder totals, change:
General Electric: 2207
Electro-Motive: 1488
CSX in-house: 235
Other: 393

Average Fleet Build Date*: 1996.17
Total Units on Roster: 4323
Total Available Horsepower: 14,882,900

*Build dates use whole years on the roster. Margin of error +/- 0.25 years

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Sounds like the Citirail GEVOs are being removed from lease to CSX, and returned.

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Saturnalia wrote:Sounds like the Citirail GEVOs are being removed from lease to CSX, and returned.
Boy that was brief. Any idea's as to why besides cost savings?
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MQT1223 wrote:
Saturnalia wrote:Sounds like the Citirail GEVOs are being removed from lease to CSX, and returned.
Boy that was brief. Any idea's as to why besides cost savings?
I'm not really sure why they were brought on, or why they're leaving so soon. Kinda strange.

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Just something about the stored power on CSX right now, which I would think is pretty darn high right now.

I am wondering if there is any insight as to how much of certain classes are in storage now. I do know that the entire 7300 Series is stored, along with most of the AC6000CW class (I know 5016 is an exception since it was in Deshler as the second unit on Q342-31 this morning).

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Almost all of the SD60 variants are also in storage, along with large numbers of SD50s and SD70s.
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Basically everything except the ES40DCs ES44AHs SD40s AC4400s and a handful of Dash 8s and 9s. For the life of me I can't figure out why the AC4460s are in storage the Crews absolutely love them
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LOL you think CSX cares what the crews like?
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Wabash1070 wrote:Basically everything except the ES40DCs ES44AHs SD40s AC4400s and a handful of Dash 8s and 9s. For the life of me I can't figure out why the AC4460s are in storage the Crews absolutely love them
GE Widecabs, except the Dash8s, are popular still.

On the EMD side, don't forget the legions of GP38-2s and GP40-2s, along with the Road Slugs, and at least half the SD50, SD60 and SD70 clans.

AC46CW/Hs are oddballs...they're less reliable. Cheapest stuff to run is being kept, the expensive stuff stored and retired.

Alcos and FMs could also pull the communism out of China...but only when they weren't being shop queens.

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Saturnalia wrote:Alcos and FMs could also pull the communism out of China...but only when they weren't being shop queens.
Don't forget Baldwins! :wink:
Just had a train the other day with 682,8218,2614,4536 trailing, all their stacks were capped.

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SD80MAC wrote:LOL you think CSX cares what the crews like?
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